Re: [Asrg] Soundness of silence
der Mouse <mouse@Rodents-Montreal.ORG> Tue, 16 June 2009 13:22 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Asrg] Soundness of silence
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>> Because spam is fundamentally a social problem rather than a >> technical problem, [...] > Yes, that's the conclusion I also reached. Spam is a universal > plague and we must live with it. Not quite. There are walled-garden approaches to email that are basically spam-free, because they have the accountability the open Internet lacks. > Someone suggested I should also have posted an URL. Those are just > practical issues. Perhaps, but they are very relevant when addressing the question of "why did my note generate no traffic?". Every additional barrier that makes it harder - even a little harder - for people will reduce the response. Speaking personally, for example, I have often ignored documents provided as PDFs where I would not have ignored the same content as a text file, because reading PDFs is substantially more complicated and unpleasant for me than reading text files. Other people will have other reasons to respond to _this_ mail rather than _that_ one - practical issues, yes, but still relevant. >> I'm not convinced that any new technical approach to spam control >> has any chance of widespread adoption or even careful attention. >> The jungle of existing tactics combined with [...] > [That] obviously implies that email is going to die out. It's not obvious to me. Can you spell it out for me how you get from Bill's lack of conviction - okay, let's make it easy and assume Bill is right: from the lack of widespread adoption or attention to new technical antispam techniques - to email dying out? > Newcomers don't perceive it as something new and exciting, but rather > as an obsolete communication system used predominantly by elder > people, generally left in a state of regrettable neglect. Honestly, this is one of the few things that could save email. If enough of the net.population deserts it for newer and shinier commuications media, spammers will perceive a lack of value in it and start leaving it alone, making it usable again for us (FVO "us" approximating "people who didn't desert it", which I expect would include most/all of the people I for one care about exchanging email with anyway). Do I expect that to happen? Not really. But neither do I see it dying out. /~\ The ASCII Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse@rodents-montreal.org / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B
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