Re: [Asrg] I-D Action: draft-irtf-asrg-dnsbl-08.txt (fwd)

Matthias Leisi <matthias@leisi.net> Wed, 19 November 2008 13:34 UTC

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Chris Lewis schrieb:

>> An old wish: Have some protocol to enable queries like "return all
>> listings for IP addresses in a.b.c.d/N" (for some reasonably max value
>> of N, possibly 24?).
> 
> We'd only have to issue more than 65536 of those to check our space ;-)

Maybe you should donate some of that space ;-)

> Yes, something like that would be nice and I don't think too many DNSBL
> operators would object (at least in theory).  Some DNSBLs offer by-email
> notification.  Others might want to, but don't for whatever reason.

Thinking a bit further, such a "range query" is not only a nice to have, 
but pure necessity in IPv6-land, where you will hardly ever will want to 
deal with individual IP addresses, but with - what is the current 
smallest customer allocation? /64? - /64s.

> However:
> 
> 1) The BCP is a wrong place to describe a protocol for that.

ACK.

Maybe it's time to start experimenting with some kind of an "IPv6 
reputation protocol". The more I think about it, the less I'm convinced 
that we can (or should) simply continue using the IPv4 approach.

-- Matthias

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