[Asrg] SPF: Summary of Objections
Meng Weng Wong <mengwong@dumbo.pobox.com> Mon, 16 June 2003 22:34 UTC
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Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 12:01:58 -0400
On Sun, Jun 15, 2003 at 11:44:05AM -0400, Yakov Shafranovich wrote: | | Agreed. The spam problem might never go away, but these changes can | gradually reduce the problem. | Most objections to SPF have come from people who 1) get stuck trying to define spam, and because they can't define it, claim that nobody else can either, and so cannot imagine how to solve a problem they cannot frame; 2) champion a personal definition of spam, and attack technical solutions because those solutions do not match their definitions; 3) conclude that because technical solutions have not solved spam in the past, they cannot possibly solve spam in the future; this is the "spam is ultimately a social / technical / legal problem" camp; 4) observe that no single solution is perfect, and fall into despair; 5) misunderstand some technical detail of SPF, and take up arms against a chimera; 6) recognize that you can't make an omelette without breaking eggs; but, fearing that theirs are the eggs to be broken, storm the kitchen; 7) assert flatly that it won't work; assert that similar approaches have been proposed and, broadly, "failed"; therefore so will SPF; 8) do not see beyond the short future that is explicitly described; 9) prefer a different approach; 10) or have a personal reason to see spam survive and grow. _______________________________________________ Asrg mailing list Asrg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/asrg
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- Re: [Asrg] Spammer responses to SPF Yakov Shafranovich
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- [Asrg] Re: SPF: Objection 5 Meng Weng Wong
- [Asrg] Re: SPF: Objection 8 Meng Weng Wong
- [Asrg] Re: SPF: Objection 7 Meng Weng Wong
- [Asrg] Re: SPF: Objections 1 and 2 Meng Weng Wong
- [Asrg] Re: SPF: Objection 9 Meng Weng Wong
- [Asrg] Re: SPF: Objection 6 Meng Weng Wong
- [Asrg] Re: SPF: Objections 3 and 4 Meng Weng Wong
- [Asrg] SPF: Summary of Objections Meng Weng Wong
- [Asrg] Re: SPF: Objection 9 Jon Kyme
- Re: [Asrg] Re: SPF: Objection 7 Barry Shein
- Re: [Asrg] Re: SPF: Objection 8 Barry Shein
- Re: [Asrg] Spammer responses to SPF Scott Nelson
- Re: [Asrg] SPF: Summary of Objections Vernon Schryver
- Re: [Asrg] SPF: Summary of Objections Dave Crocker
- Re: [Asrg] Spammer responses to SPF Markus Stumpf
- Re: [Asrg] SPF: Summary of Objections Dave Crocker
- Re: [Asrg] Spammer responses to SPF Scott Nelson
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