Re: [Asrg] TitanKey and "white lies"... (Faking SMTP hard errors "improves" C/R utility?)
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Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 21:38:01 -0700
On Fri, May 30, 2003 at 05:30:29PM -0600, Vernon Schryver wrote: [...] > Say that you did find that 87.345% (or whatever) of all spammers today > respond to 550's. Instead of sarcasm, please say what you would > conclude about next month. How much money would you bet on your answer? The thread of this discussion, I believe, went as follows: 1) someone made a claim that most spammers observe 550's and remove the corresponding addresses from their lists. 2) various people then responded that in their opinion many/most spammers ignore 550s. 3) if I understand correctly, you claim that spammers' behavior can't be presumed to follow any particular rules. It seems to me that 3 is completely consistent with 2, and in fact, almost implies it, and that they both contradict 1: That is, if we accept your premise that spammers won't follow predictable rules, then it follows that a substantial percentage of them won't pay attention to 550 responses (otherwise they would be predictabled), and therefore, point 1 is false. The fundamental point is that we can't count on spammers honoring 550s. Kent -- Kent Crispin "Be good, and you will be Manager of Technical Operations, ICANN lonesome." crispin@icann.org,kent@songbird.com -- Mark Twain p: +1 310 823 9358 f: +1 310 823 8649 _______________________________________________ Asrg mailing list Asrg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/asrg
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- RE: [Asrg] TitanKey and "white lies"... (Faking S… Eric Dean
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- RE: [Asrg] TitanKey and "white lies"... (Faking S… Barry Shein
- RE: [Asrg] TitanKey and "white lies"... (Faking S… Barry Shein
- RE: [Asrg] TitanKey and "white lies"... (Faking S… Barry Shein
- RE: [Asrg] TitanKey and "white lies"... (Faking S… Barry Shein
- RE: [Asrg] TitanKey and "white lies"... (Faking S… Vernon Schryver
- RE: [Asrg] TitanKey and "white lies"... (Faking S… Peter Kay
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- RE: [Asrg] TitanKey and "white lies"... (Faking S… Eric D. Williams
- Re: [Asrg] TitanKey and "white lies"... (Faking S… kent
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- RE: [Asrg] TitanKey and "white lies"... (Faking S… Eric Dean
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- RE: [Asrg] Re: TitanKey and "white lies"... (Faki… Eric D. Williams
- RE: [Asrg] TitanKey and "white lies"... (Faking S… Peter Kay
- Re: [Asrg] Re: TitanKey and "white lies"... (Faki… Scott Nelson
- Re: [Asrg] Re: TitanKey and "white lies"... (Faki… Vernon Schryver
- RE: [Asrg] Re: TitanKey and "white lies"... (Faki… Eric D. Williams
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