Re: [atoca] The future of atoca

As yet again, I cannot get to the ATOCA session because I am chairing a session at the same time, I'll comment on list.

I don't see enough momentum to have a working group on this subject. The idea of a working group is to gain a certain amount of consensus round a subject before submitting a document to the IETF last call process. So there is no point writing drafts which essentially only the authors comment on in the WG. The WG has had more than adequate time to gather that momentum if it existed.

Given that, if the authors of documents really want to proceed, they might as well put the documents straight into the individual submission process (or else abandon them).

There is no point in continuing with the working group as it is adding nothing to the process of gaining IETF consensus.

Keith

> -----Original Message-----
> From: atoca-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:atoca-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
> Martin Thomson
> Sent: 20 July 2012 01:45
> To: atoca@ietf.org
> Subject: [atoca] The future of atoca
> 
> This working group has been quiet for extended periods for a long time
> now.  The chairs are concerned that there are too few participants who
> are interested in furthering the work of the group for the group to be
> viable.
> 
> For the Vancouver IETF we would like to address the question of
> closing the working group.
> 
> If we are to keep the working group open, a number of people would
> have to come forward between now and the scheduled meeting time.
> These people would not only express interest, but also demonstrate a
> firm commitment to contribute to the goals of the group.
> 
> On the other hand, if we conclude that closing the working group is
> preferable, we then need to decide what to do with the products of
> this working group, such as they are.  The working group has one
> adopted draft, but there have also been several individual
> submissions.
> 
> Then, in either case - for the continued success of the group, or
> merely for posterity - thoughts on whether this effort would have
> succeeded and the conditions under which it might have succeeded/could
> succeed would be of great interest.  Would a tighter focus in a
> particular area have made this more feasible?
> 
> To that end, the chairs propose that we address this issue in
> Vancouver.  A draft agenda containing this item has been posted.
> 
> --atoca Chairs
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