Re: [auth48] AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9542 <draft-ietf-intarea-rfc7042bis-11> for your review

Yizhou Li <liyizhou@huawei.com> Tue, 09 April 2024 01:03 UTC

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From: Yizhou Li <liyizhou@huawei.com>
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Hi Alanna,


I approve.

Cheers,
Yizhou

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Subject: Re: AUTH48: RFC-to-be 9542 <draft-ietf-intarea-rfc7042bis-11> for your review

Hi Donald,

Thank you for your reply.  We have updated as requested.

>> b) "EF" has been changed to "FC" to match the IANA registry as follows.
>> Please let us know if this is not correct.
>> 
>> Original:
>>   02-00-5E-10-00-00-01-00 to 02-00-5E-EF-FF-FF-FF-FF  available for
>>      assignment
>> 
>> Current:
>>   02-00-5E-10-00-00-01-00 to 02-00-5E-FC-FF-FF-FF-FF  available for
>>      assignment
> 
> I believe the IANA registry (for which I am the primary expert) is 
> wrong. This has consistently been "EF" in the RFCs back through RFC
> 7042 and RFC 5342. Looks like an error on my part in reviewing the 
> IANA registry 16 years ago back in 2008. This correction to the IANA 
> registry clearly does not affect any existing assignments or the like 
> so it should be straight forward. Should I send a separate message to 
> IANA?

) After we have received approvals from each author, we will send mail to IANA to update their registry accordingly.
...
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Thank you,
RFC Editor/ap

> On Apr 7, 2024, at 4:03 PM, Donald Eastlake <d3e3e3@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> On Fri, Apr 5, 2024 at 2:22 AM <rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Authors,
>> 
>> While reviewing this document during AUTH48, please resolve (as necessary) the following questions, which are also in the XML file.
>> 
>> 1) <!--[rfced] FYI, because this document obsoletes RFC 7042, it has 
>> been assigned BCP 141 (the same BCP number as RFC 7042).
>> If you prefer otherwise, please let us know.
>> -->
> 
> That's the right thing.
> 
>> 2) <!-- [rfced] Please insert any keywords (beyond those that appear 
>> in the title) for use on https://www.rfc-editor.org/search. -->
> 
> All the keywords from RFC 7042 should carry over. I believe those are
>      Ethernet, EtherType, 802, OUI, EUI, LSAP In addition you should 
> add the following keywords
>      AFN, CBOR, LLC, SLAP, SNAP, CID
> 
>> 3) <!--[rfced] To avoid this hyphenation, may we update "IEEE 
>> 802-related" as follows?
>> 
>> Original:
>>   Some IETF protocols use Ethernet or other IEEE 802-related
>>   communication frame formats and parameters [IEEE802].
>>   ...
>>   IEEE Std 802 describes assignment procedures and policies for IEEE
>>   802-related identifiers [IEEE802_OandA].
>> 
>> Perhaps:
>>   Some IETF protocols use Ethernet or other
>>   communication frame formats and parameters related to IEEE 802 [IEEE802].
>>   ...
>>   IEEE Std 802 describes assignment procedures and policies for
>>   identifiers related to IEEE 802 [IEEE802_OandA].
>> -->
> 
> OK.
> 
>> 4) <!--[rfced] Section 1.1: We suggest removing the quotation marks 
>> from this section, as they are not typically used in this manner.
>> (Although they are used in RFC 7042, this is an opportunity to 
>> improve the document.) Please let us know if this change is 
>> acceptable.
>> 
>> Current:
>>   "AFN"       Address Family Number [RFC4760].
>> 
>>   "CBOR"      Concise Binary Object Representation [RFC8949].
>> 
>>   "CFM"       Connectivity Fault Management [RFC7319].
>> 
>>   [...]
>> 
>> Suggested:
>>   AFN       Address Family Number [RFC4760].
>> 
>>   CBOR      Concise Binary Object Representation [RFC8949].
>> 
>>   CFM       Connectivity Fault Management [RFC7319].
>> 
>>   [...]
>> -->
> 
> I would prefer to leave in the quote marks notwithstanding that this 
> is not consistent with many other RFCs. My reasons are (1) the last 
> entry for "**" would be confusing without the quotes and confusing in 
> a different way if it was the only entry with quotes, (2) there are a 
> few multi-word entries for which I think the quotes help a little, and
> (3) this is consistent with the previous RFCs in this series: 7042 and 
> 5342.
> 
>> 5) <!-- [rfced] Please review whether any of the notes in this 
>> document (for example, the text marked "Historical Note" or "NOTE") 
>> should be in the <aside> element. It is defined as "a container for 
>> content that is semantically less important or tangential to the 
>> content that surrounds it"
>> (https://authors.ietf.org/en/rfcxml-vocabulary#aside). -->
> 
> An interesting question. Examining the "Notes" in this document, I 
> believe the one in the first part of Section 2 and the one in Section 
> 2.3.1, that is to say the two "historical" notes, would reasonably be 
> viewed as "asides". On the other hand, the two notes in Section 2.1.1 
> and the one in Section 5 are important parts of the main text of the 
> document.
> 
> Also, I notice that the two notes in Section 2.1.1 are somewhat 
> indented and by different amounts. I think this just follows the draft 
> but seems wrong to the extent that it may give the false impression 
> that they are both subsidiary to the "Standard Assignment - ..." item 
> just above them while only the first note is. I suggest making the 
> second of these two notes have the same indentation as the main body 
> text (3 spaces for .txt, flush left for .pdf, ...).
> 
>> 6) <!--[rfced] Would it be accurate for these instances of "2023"
>> to be updated to "2024"? It seems the year of publication would make 
>> more sense here.
>> Original:
>>   As of 2023 there
>>   are three lengths of prefixes assigned, as shown in the table below;
>>   however, some prefix bits can have special meaning as shown in
>>   Figure 1.
>>   ...
>>   As of 2023, 4 out of these 256 values have been
>>   assigned.
>>   ...
>>   As of 2023, 1 out of these 256 values has been
>>   assigned.
>>   ...
>>   As of 2023, 4 out of these 256
>>   values have been assigned.
>>   ...
>>   As of 2023, 1 out of these 256 values has been
>>   assigned.
>> -->
> 
> Yes, I've checked and these can all be updated to 2024.
> 
>> 7) <!--[rfced] We see that "universal/local" and "Local/Global" are 
>> both used to describe the X bit. Should this be made consistent?
>> Original:
>>   X bit  - This bit is also called the "universal/local" bit
>>   ...
>>   When so used, the EUI-64 is modified by
>>   inverting the X (Local/Global) bit to form an IETF "Modified EUI-64
>>   identifier".
>> -->
> 
> I believe IEEE favors the universal/local nomenclature so I guess we 
> should go with that. However, at the first instance or the like, 
> please add a parenthetical "(formerly called Local/Global)"
> 
>> 8) <!--[rfced] As the plus sign could indicate addition, may we 
>> replace it with "and"?
>> 
>> Original:
>>   Y+Z bits  - These two bits have no special meaning if the X bit is
>>      zero.
>> 
>> Perhaps:
>>   Y and Z bits -  These two bits have no special meaning if the X bit is
>>      zero.
>> -->
> 
> To avoid verbosity, how about "Y&Z"?
> 
>> 9) <!--[rfced] Since two instances of "NOTE" are listed directly 
>> after this definition, should "see NOTE below" be more specific?
>> 
>> Original:
>>   Standard Assigned -  MAC addresses in this quadrant are called
>>      Standard Assigned Identifiers (SAIs).  An SAI is assigned by a
>>      protocol specified in an IEEE 802 standard, for example
>>      [IEEE802.1CQ] (but see NOTE below).
>> 
>>         NOTE: While the SLAP has MAC addresses assigned through a local
>>         protocol in the SAI quadrant and assigned by a protocol
>>         specified in an IEEE 802 standard, the SLAP is optional.  Local
>>         network administrators may use the IETF protocol provisions in
>>         [RFC8947] and [RFC8948] which support assignment of a MAC
>>         address in the local MAC address space using DHCPv6 [RFC8415]
>>         or other protocol methods.
>> 
>>      NOTE: There isn't any automated way to determine if or to what
>>      extent a local network is configured for and/or operating
>>      according to SLAP.
>> -->
> 
> Yes, it would probably be good to change the referring text to "see 
> first NOTE below" and to decrease the indentation of the 2nd note, 
> which is actually related to much of the entire section. See item 5 
> above.
> 
>> 10) <!--[rfced] Regarding Section 2.2.2:
>> 
>> a) Would it be acceptable to replace this list with a table that 
>> exactly matches the IANA registry (as shown in Table 3 of 
>> https://www.rfc-editor.org/authors/rfc9542-table.txt)?
>> The rationale is so that the addresses and usage match the registry 
>> and because it is referred to as "[t]he following table".
> 
> Replacing with the IANA table has the primary advantage of including 
> the references clearly so I guess it is OK.
> 
>> b) "EF" has been changed to "FC" to match the IANA registry as follows.
>> Please let us know if this is not correct.
>> 
>> Original:
>>   02-00-5E-10-00-00-01-00 to 02-00-5E-EF-FF-FF-FF-FF  available for
>>      assignment
>> 
>> Current:
>>   02-00-5E-10-00-00-01-00 to 02-00-5E-FC-FF-FF-FF-FF  available for
>>      assignment
> 
> I believe the IANA registry (for which I am the primary expert) is 
> wrong. This has consistently been "EF" in the RFCs back through RFC
> 7042 and RFC 5342. Looks like an error on my part in reviewing the 
> IANA registry 16 years ago back in 2008. This correction to the IANA 
> registry clearly does not affect any existing assignments or the like 
> so it should be straight forward. Should I send a separate message to 
> IANA?
> 
>> c) If you choose the table, we note the "02-00-5E" is not included, 
>> so would you like to add text to the preceding paragraph in order to note that?
>> Perhaps:
>> 
>>  These values are prefixed with 02-00-5E to form unicast  modified 
>> EUI-64 addresses.
>> -->
> 
> Yes, if we convert to a table such a note is essential.
> 
>> 11) <!--[rfced] To clarify "8 bits length", may we update this 
>> sentence as follows?
>> 
>> Original:
>>   Should some other multiple of 8 bits length MAC
>>   addresses be used in the future, such as a 128-bit (16 octet) MAC
>>   address, the TBD1 tag will be used.
>> 
>> Perhaps:
>>   Should some other multiple of 8 bits be used in the future
>>   for the length of MAC addresses, such as a 128-bit (16-octet) MAC
>>   address, the 48 tag will be used.
>> -->
> 
> That looks fine.
> 
>> 12) <!--[rfced] As the protocol identifier uses "AA-AA", should the 
>> text be updated to reflect this?
>> 
>> Original:
>>      xx-xx-AA-AA-03-yy-yy-yy-zz-zz
>> 
>>   where xx-xx is the frame length and, as above, must be small enough
>>   not to be confused with an EtherType; "AA" is the LSAP that indicates
>>   this use and is sometimes referred to as the SNAP Service Access
>>   Point (SNAP SAP);
>> 
>> Perhaps:
>>      xx-xx-AA-AA-03-yy-yy-yy-zz-zz
>> 
>>   where xx-xx is the frame length and, as above, must be small enough
>>   not to be confused with an EtherType; "AA-AA" is the LSAP that indicates
>>   this use and is sometimes referred to as the SNAP Service Access
>>   Point (SNAP SAP);
>> -->
> 
> Well, that's actually an interesting question. The "AA-AA" is actually 
> two protocol points, since it is "AA" appearing in both the DSAP and 
> SSAP positions. So the current text is not wrong. On the other hand, a 
> single AA code point is never, as far as I know, paired with a 
> different SSAP or DSAP code point. While this could go either way, I 
> would prefer to leave the current wording.
> 
>> 13) <!--[rfced] Should instances of "LLC control" be updated to read 
>> simply "LLC" to avoid redundancy (if expanded, "LLC protocol" would 
>> read as "Logical Link Control control"). Please review and let us 
>> know if any updates are needed.
>> 
>> Original:
>>   ..."03" is the LLC control octet indicating datagram
>>   service; yy-yy-yy is an OUI; and zz-zz is a protocol number, under
>>   that OUI, assigned by the OUI owner.  The five-octet length for such
>>   OUI-based protocol identifiers results, with the LLC control octet
>>   ("0x03"), in the preservation of 16-bit alignment.
>> -->
> 
> I think the wording needs to stay as is. "LLC" refers to the entire 
> header pattern of which the "control byte", value 03, is only part.
> 
>> 14) <!--[rfced] May we clarify "it" in the list item to be "the 
>> assignment"?
>> 
>> Original:
>>   New assignments of protocol numbers
>>   (qq-qq) under the IANA OUI must meet the following requirements:
>>   ...
>>   *  it must be documented in an Internet-Draft or RFC, and
>> -->
> 
> "it" => "the protocol"
> 
>> 15) <!--[rfced] We are having some difficulty parsing this sentence.
>> How should it be updated for clarity?
>> 
>> Original:
>>   (Either that EtherType can be used directly or,
>>   in the LSAPs case, using the SNAP SAP and putting an all-zeros
>>   "OUI" before the EtherType as described above.)
>> 
>> Perhaps (where each hyphen would be two hyphens):
>> 
>>   (That EtherType can be used directly, or
>>   - in the LSAPs case - it can be used with the SNAP SAP by putting
>>   an all-zero "OUI" before the EtherType as described above.)
>> -->
> 
> Your re-wording is fine.
> 
>> 16) <!--[rfced] Does "is felt to be large enough" mean "is considered 
>> to be large enough" or "is believed to be large enough"? Would it be 
>> more clear as one of those?
>> 
>> Original:
>>   While finite, the universe of MAC code points from which Expert-
>>   judged assignments will be made is felt to be large enough that the
>>   requirements given in this document and the Experts' good judgment
>>   are sufficient guidance.
>> -->
> 
> "considered" is better.
> 
>> 17) <!--[rfced] This document and the IANA registry do not match for 
>> the following description ("24-bit OUI" vs. "OUI"). Which one is correct?
>> 
>> This document:
>>   | 24-bit OUI | 16391   |
>> 
>> vs. IANA registry (https://www.iana.org/assignments/address-family-numbers)::
>> 16391   OUI
>> 
>> -->
> 
> An OUI is always 24-bits long, just drop the "24-bit" here from the 
> document to make it consistent with the IANA registry.
> 
>> 18) <!--[rfced] Section 5.7: Regarding the actual notes on the IANA 
>> registries, "IANA Unicast 48-bit MAC Addresses" mentions Section 
>> 2.1.5 and "IANA Multicast 48-bit MAC Addresses" mentions Section 2.1.4.
>> 
>> For the latter, is 2.1.4 correct?
>> This document indicates "Section 2.1.5" for both:
>> 
>>   The Notes for the "IANA Unicast 48-bit MAC Addresses" registry and
>>   for the "IANA Multicast 48-bit MAC Addresses" registry are changed to
>>   the following:
>> 
>>   |  These values are prefixed with 00-00-5E.  See Section 2.1.5 of RFC
>>   |  9542.
>> -->
> 
> Ahhh, looking at the purpose of this reference, I believe that both 
> the "IANA Unicast 48-bit MAC Addresses" registry and the "IANA 
> Multicast 48-bit MAC Addresses" registry notes should reference 2.1.3, 
> not 2.1.5. So it is correct that they both reference the same section, 
> it is just that they reference the wrong section right now. 2.1.3 is 
> the 48-bit section parallel with what 2.2.2 is for 64-bit.
> 
>> 19) <!-- [rfced] Would you like the references to be alphabetized or 
>> left in their current order?
>> -->
> 
> Please alphabetize.
> 
>> 20) <!--[rfced] As this document informatively references RFC 5798, 
>> would you like to delay publishing in order to be published at the 
>> same time as draft-ietf-rtgwg-vrrp-rfc5798bis-18, which is also 
>> currently in the RFC Editor queue? -->
> 
> I don't think the reason for this reference will change in any way so 
> there is no reason to hold up publication of rfc7042bis.
> 
>> 21) <!--[rfced] We note that the following term is used 
>> inconsistently throughout the document. Please review and let us know 
>> how it may be made consistent.
>> 
>> 'CF Series' vs. CF Series vs. "CF" series
>> -->
> 
> I think the single/double quotes here can just be removed except where 
> there is the literal quote of text taken from RFC 2153 which should be 
> faithful to the punctuation in RFC 2153.
> 
>> 22) <!-- [rfced] FYI, we have added expansions for the following 
>> abbreviations per Section 3.6 of RFC 7322 ("RFC Style Guide"). Please 
>> review each expansion in the document carefully to ensure correctness.
>> 
>> Network Layer Protocol Identifier (NLPID)
>> -->
> 
> OK.
> 
>> 23) <!-- [rfced] Please review the "Inclusive Language" portion of 
>> the online Style Guide 
>> <https://www.rfc-editor.org/styleguide/part2/#inclusive_language>
>> and let us know if any changes are needed.
>> 
>> For example, please consider whether "sanity" should be updated.  --> 
>> </back>
> 
> You may replace "sanity" with "reasonableness".
> 
> 
> CHANGES FROM REVIEW OF DOCUMENT:
> 
> 
> Section 2.3.2: This is a pretty minor persnickety comment but in the 
> .txt version I don't like where the line break falls in the indented 
> text about CF-00-00. In particular, in the .txt version, it can be 
> mistaken for two separate lines of independent text, both 
> ungrammatical. To avoid this problem for some readers, I suggest 
> rewording this with no change in meaning as
> 
> "CF-00-00 is reserved. CF-00-00-00-00-00 is a multicast identifier 
> listed by IANA as used for Ethernet loopback tests."
> 
> This should move the line break to after CF-00-00-00-00-00 instead of 
> just before CF-00-00-00-00-00 eliminating this minor problem. (There 
> is no problem in the .html and .pdf versions.)
> 
> 
> Effective April 2nd, I am no longer sponsored by Futurewei 
> Technologies. My affiliation need to be changed on the first page and 
> in the Author Addresses section.
> OLD
> Futurewei Technologies
> NEW
> Independent
> 
> 
> Acknowledgements
> "people persons" -> "persons"
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Donald
> ===============================
> Donald E. Eastlake 3rd   +1-508-333-2270 (cell)
> 2386 Panoramic Circle, Apopka, FL 32703 USA d3e3e3@gmail.com
> 
> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> RFC Editor/ap/ar
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 4, 2024, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org wrote:
>> 
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>> 
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>> 
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>> --------------------------------------
>> RFC9542 (draft-ietf-intarea-rfc7042bis-11)
>> 
>> Title            : IANA Considerations and IETF Protocol and Documentation Usage for IEEE 802 Parameters
>> Author(s)        : D. Eastlake, J. Abley, Y. Li
>> WG Chair(s)      : Juan-Carlos Zúñiga, Wassim Haddad
>> 
>> Area Director(s) : Erik Kline, Éric Vyncke