Re: [babel] Warren Kumari's Discuss on draft-ietf-babel-v4viav6-07: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

Juliusz Chroboczek <jch@irif.fr> Thu, 24 February 2022 17:29 UTC

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Subject: Re: [babel] Warren Kumari's Discuss on draft-ietf-babel-v4viav6-07: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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> I'm not saying that the "v4-via-v6" is a *bad* idea, but I really don't think
> that it should be introduced / documented in a Standards Track Babel document -
> it touches core plumbing, and should be discussed and documented in a V6OPS (or
> 6MAN) document, and then this document includes it by reference.

The document has been made Experimental, as you propose.

> I'm sure that this DISCUSS will be frustrating to the authors/WG

Not really.  We're planning to deploy this spring, barring any unforeseen
issues, and the document being Experimental will make it easier to say "we
told you so!" when we've broken everyone's networks ;-)

-- Juliusz