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Re: [babel] Alissa Cooper's No Objection on draft-ietf-babel-applicability-07: (with COMMENT)

Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in> Tue, 06 August 2019 15:00 UTC

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From: Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in>
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Subject: Re: [babel] Alissa Cooper's No Objection on draft-ietf-babel-applicability-07: (with COMMENT)
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Hi Juliusz,

> On Aug 5, 2019, at 1:00 PM, Juliusz Chroboczek <jch@irif.fr> wrote:
> 
>>> So there's not much I can do at this time.  If you know otherwise, please
>>> let me know.
> 
>> In that case I think not making the claims is a better option.  The one
>> about bugs seems particularly problematic
> 
> As far as bug resistence is concerned -- I agree.  This has been weakened
> in -08 at the prompting of Éric Vyncke, please let me know if you with me
> to weaken it further.

Mirja’s suggested formulation is an improvement I think.

> 
> As far as the other two properties are concerned (unusual networks and
> unusual metrics), I must most humbly disagree.  There is a fair body of
> circumstantial evidence that favours these claims, such as the references
> [DELAY-BASED], [REAL-WORLD] and [BRIDGING-LAYERS]

Could you add these citations in the appropriate places in the bulleted list of claims?

Thanks,
Alissa

> of this document, as
> well as a number of experiments [1,2] that I don't feel comfortable citing
> at the current time.
> 
> [1] http://people.ac.upc.edu/leandro/pubs/eomrpfwcn.pdf
> [2] https://www.irif.fr/~jch/software/babel/battlemeshv10.html
> 
> Sorry for that.
> 
> -- Juliusz

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