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Re: [BEHAVE] Benoit Claise's Discuss on draft-perrault-behave-deprecate-nat-mib-v1-01: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

Tom Taylor <tom.taylor.stds@gmail.com> Wed, 24 June 2015 15:17 UTC

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Subject: Re: [BEHAVE] Benoit Claise's Discuss on draft-perrault-behave-deprecate-nat-mib-v1-01: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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Below with [PTT]

On 24/06/2015 6:26 AM, Spencer Dawkins at IETF wrote:
> On Jun 24, 2015 04:51, "Benoit Claise" <bclaise@cisco.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Tom,
>>
>>> Yes, I believe so. If the RFC Ed. doesn't pick up the copyright thing,
> it can be fixed in AUTH48.
>>>
>>> Reviewing the IESG evaluation, I note the suggestion to leave out the
> MIB module definition itself and just have text saying (as Joel suggested)
> that all objects are deprecated. Would people agree to that? That would
> eliminate my fiddling with syntax to eliminate SMILINT warnings.
>
> So, two questions -
>
> - is the issue that changing the definition while deprecating the objects
> is strange?

[PTT] Yes, per guidelines quoted by Benoit.
>
> - if the document just said "all objects are deprecated", would the
> resulting MIB modules still produce SMILINT warnings?

[PTT] Yes. I just verified that RFC 4008 generates the following warnings
mibs/NAT-MIB:932: [5] {index-exceeds-too-large} warning: index of row 
`natAddrBindEntry' can exceed OID size limit by 141 subidentifier(s)
mibs/NAT-MIB:1162: [5] {index-exceeds-too-large} warning: index of row 
`natAddrPortBindEntry' can exceed OID size limit by 143 subidentifier(s)
>
> Obviously, I'm wondering if the right answer is to leave the syntax
> unchanged, and point out that the syntax generates SMILINT warnings whether
> the objects are deprecated or not, but since all this document is doing is
> deprecating objects, the syntax is left unchanged, and anyone who
> implements the V1 MIB now will have bigger problems than the SMILINT
> warnings, but I don't know that's the right answer.
>
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