Re: [BEHAVE] RFC6147 and RFC7208 interoperability issues

David Conrad <drc@virtualized.org> Mon, 07 February 2022 18:06 UTC

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From: David Conrad <drc@virtualized.org>
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Subject: Re: [BEHAVE] RFC6147 and RFC7208 interoperability issues
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Keith,

On Feb 7, 2022, at 9:25 AM, Keith Moore <moore@network-heretics.com> wrote:
>> Reiterating yet again how you think NAT is a bad idea does not appear to be constructive or helpful in any way.
> Not buying it.    The problem with that attitude is that it makes it always okay to promote and encourage bad ideas, and to perpetually keep patching up the harm that they cause... but it's never okay to discourage them.

I suppose I don’t find continually putting my fingers in my ears and chanting “NAT is bad” any time the topic comes up particularly productive. YMMV.

>> The need to deal with NAT (in its myriad forms) is simply reality and will remain so for the foreseeable future.
> Saying "X is reality" is a lot like saying "it is clear that..." or any other assertion that lacks support.   It's transparently vacuous.

Are you actually suggesting the vast majority of Internet traffic does not transit a NAT?

> NATs are reality like COVID is reality.  That's not a justification for encouraging more spread of COVID.

It’s not about encouraging spread. That ship sailed long, long ago. It is about accepting reality and coming up with solutions, as ad hoc as may be required, to reduce the pain that that reality entails.

Regards,
-drc