Re: [Bier] Call for adoption: draft-wijnandsxu-bier-non-mpls-bift-encoding-01

Eric C Rosen <erosen@juniper.net> Tue, 27 February 2018 14:58 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Bier] Call for adoption: draft-wijnandsxu-bier-non-mpls-bift-encoding-01
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I am strongly opposed to the adoption of this draft.

The premise of the draft is that in non-MPLS networks, operators may 
want to assign a domain-wide unique BIFT-id that denotes, in every BFR, 
the BIFT associated with a given <SD,SI,BSL> triple.

That may be true.  However, there are many procedures that can be used 
to assign domain-wide unique BIFT-ids.  There is no reason for the WG to 
give the appearance of endorsing any one procedure over any of the 
thousands of others.  This is really a decision for the network 
operators.  So I think the document is not very useful.

I do however think the document is harmful.  It will inevitably result 
in the deployment of software (if not hardware) that cannot process 
non-MPLS BIER packets in which the BIFT-id is not formed according to 
the rules of this draft.

Yes, yes, the draft says that the use of this encoding is OPTIONAL, and 
the draft is merely Informational.  That won't help us much when some 
implementation (either from a vendor, or open source) gets deployed that 
requires the use of this encoding.

Drafts that are harmful but not useful should not be adopted by the WG.

If this draft proceeds, I suggest it be turned into an Independent 
Submission, so that it can be made clear that the draft just describes a 
suggestion by the authors.





On 2/26/2018 1:07 PM, Greg Shepherd wrote:
> In Singapore we had solid support to 
> adopt draft-wijnandsxu-bier-non-mpls-bift-encoding as a WG draft.
>
> This is a call to the list for adoption. Please read and reply 
> with/without support to this thread:
>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wijnandsxu-bier-non-mpls-bift-encoding/ 
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