Re: Comparing an old flow snapshot with some packet size data
John Hawkinson <jhawk@bbnplanet.com> Tue, 06 August 1996 05:29 UTC
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Subject: Re: Comparing an old flow snapshot with some packet size data
To: "Kent W. England" <kwe@6sigmanets.com>
Date: Tue, 06 Aug 1996 00:41:41 -0400
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> From: "Kent W. England" <kwe@6sigmanets.com> > Subject: Comparing an old flow snapshot with some packet size data > Back in January, Sean Doran and Dorian Kim posted some cisco IP flow stats > to this list. I haven't seen any since, but my big-internet mail delivery > seems spotty so I may have missed some messages. I'd be interested in seeing > some more flow stats, if Sean or Dorian or anyone has been collecting more > data. Sean or Dorian, would you care to post some more flow stats? Just to provide you with a lack of baselines for comparison (:-)), here are the top packet sizes one of our transit FDDI rings between 1200 and 1300 EDT today: Size %Packets %Bytes 40 36.4837 4.5397 552 19.2812 33.1087 576 9.56957 17.1468 1500 4.84203 22.5937 44 4.00251 0.547841 41 2.48799 0.317323 52 0.573903 0.0928349 60 0.505717 0.0943905 48 0.484214 0.0723015 72 0.467757 0.104766 56 0.435227 0.0758182 42 0.400778 0.0523627 296 0.340765 0.313773 84 0.326612 0.0853456 45 0.305438 0.0427568 43 0.297758 0.0398292 588 0.297319 0.543838 Binning to histograms of 10 bytes Size %Packets %Bytes 40-50 45.020109 5.693618 550-560 19.326785 33.187304 570-580 9.604513 17.209135 1500-1510 4.842249 22.594727 50-60 2.133512 0.362158 60-70 1.659997 0.326584 70-80 1.633336 0.374121 80-90 1.030689 0.269704 290-300 0.555307 0.510068 140-150 0.522942 0.234360 > Would there be any improvement if hosts used path MTU discovery, or would it > add up to about the same thing? I'm not sure whether you can do path MTU > discovery at the same time you are starting a TCP session or whether, as is > more likely, it is a separate process and uses an RTT or more before > starting the TCP session. There would be QUITE A LOT of improvement if everyone used Path MTU Discovery. There would be quite a lot of improvement if everyone changed the TCP default MSS on their unix boxes to 1460 instead of 576. In the former case, most inplementations assume that the interface MTU - ip header is the maximum length, and will send that as the MSS when they open a TCP connection. They will send any data up-to that size in a single packet with the DF bit set, and will only fragment if they get back an indication that such is necessary. There are relatively few links in the Internet that don't support a 1500-byte MTU that it's well worth the extra RTT. Further, those hosts that don't have 1500-byte MTUs tend to be behind slow links (i.e. dialup links) where an extra RTT is probably not all that significant. This is the standard way of implementing PMD, and it's how it works in Solaris, for instance. There is no intial-RTT cost for setup in the general (non-fragemented case). If you don't have PMD and just up the max segmenet size, you do the same thing except you don't set Dont Fragment on your packets. This may actually be more efficient because it causes fragmentation to happen at the places in the network where low-MTU links exist. If you assume that those are few and far -between, and are special cases who should be willing to bear the cost of doing fragmentation themselves, this is a good thing. It doesn't work so well if your host is FDDI-connected, because many Internet links can't support the FDDI MSS. But you can set your FDDI link to the Ethernet MSS and still see a good improvement. Of course, this methodology doesn't work for IPv6, but PMD is required there, anyhow. --jhawk John Hawkinson
- Re: Comparing an old flow snapshot with some pack… Greg Minshall
- Re: Comparing an old flow snapshot with some pack… Dorian R. Kim
- Re: Comparing an old flow snapshot with some pack… John Hawkinson
- Re: Comparing an old flow snapshot with some pack… Michael A. Patton
- Re: Comparing an old flow snapshot with some pack… Greg Minshall
- Re: Comparing an old flow snapshot with some pack… Kent W. England
- Re: Comparing an old flow snapshot with some pack… Paul Ferguson
- Re: Comparing an old flow snapshot with some pack… Andrew Partan
- Re: Comparing an old flow snapshot with some pack… Greg Minshall
- Re: Comparing an old flow snapshot with some pack… Paul Ferguson
- Re: Comparing an old flow snapshot with some pack… Karl Denninger, MCSNet
- Re: Comparing an old flow snapshot with some pack… Evan Wetstone
- Re: Comparing an old flow snapshot with some pack… Kent W. England
- Re: Comparing an old flow snapshot with some pack… Kent W. England
- Re: Comparing an old flow snapshot with some pack… Jeremy Porter
- Re: Comparing an old flow snapshot with some pack… Dorian R. Kim
- Re: Comparing an old flow snapshot with some pack… Brian Carpenter CERN-CN
- Re: Comparing an old flow snapshot with some pack… Andrew Partan
- Re: Comparing an old flow snapshot with some pack… Andrew Partan
- Re: Comparing an old flow snapshot with some pack… Dorian R. Kim
- Re: Comparing an old flow snapshot with some pack… John Lekashman
- Re: Comparing an old flow snapshot with some pack… Robert Moskowitz
- Re: Comparing an old flow snapshot with some pack… Kent W. England
- Re: Comparing an old flow snapshot with some pack… Robert Moskowitz
- Re: Comparing an old flow snapshot with some pack… John Hawkinson
- Re: Comparing an old flow snapshot with some pack… Dorian R. Kim