Re: [Can] The name CAN
Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@futurewei.com> Fri, 24 February 2023 16:02 UTC
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From: Linda Dunbar <linda.dunbar@futurewei.com>
To: Dirk Trossen <dirk.trossen=40huawei.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, "adrian@olddog.co.uk" <adrian@olddog.co.uk>, "can@ietf.org" <can@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [Can] The name CAN
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"CATS" is very cute, but "CAN" sounds powerful. Even the "Controller Area Networking" seems relevant if "C-SMA (CAN service Metric Agent)", "C-NMA (CAN Network Metric Agent)", "C-PS (CAN Path Selector)", etc. can be lumped together as "distributed controller elements". Linda -----Original Message----- From: Can <can-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Dirk Trossen Sent: Friday, February 24, 2023 9:28 AM To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; can@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Can] The name CAN Hi Adrian, all, Problem with acronyms is the small space that three letters give you in a crowded area like Internet tech. Anyways, for the sake of possibly focusing the rather broad 'networking' word on the aspect of 'networking' that we may care most about, together with a possibly funny note, how about CATS: Compute-Aware Traffic Steering? Best, Dirk -----Original Message----- From: Can <can-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel Sent: 24 February 2023 15:11 To: can@ietf.org Subject: [Can] The name CAN Hi, I just received a comment that "CAN" is not a very helpful name. They pointed out that if you search online for "CAN networking" you mainly get "Controller Area Network". I would say that "CAN IETF" hits our Datatracker page as the first hit. Remembering RFC 5513, I think we would struggle for a different name. Certainly, "Service Aware Networking (SAN)" would be equally unhelpful. I am not recommending a change. We really only have until the IESG meets on Thursday next week to make any change. So, if you have a strong opinion that we should change, please speak now and make a suggestion. There is no need to comment if you think we should stay as we are, or if you don't care. Silence will not cause any changes 😊 Cheers, Adrian -- Can mailing list Can@ietf.org https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ietf.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fcan&data=05%7C01%7Clinda.dunbar%40futurewei.com%7Cb4105fdd151642f7f33108db167baba9%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C638128492689236863%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=1oTRMo%2BLzhYprNXYb0R9PWfxtHl%2FbqwdS6vTCkOhI7I%3D&reserved=0 -- Can mailing list Can@ietf.org https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ietf.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fcan&data=05%7C01%7Clinda.dunbar%40futurewei.com%7Cb4105fdd151642f7f33108db167baba9%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C638128492689236863%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=1oTRMo%2BLzhYprNXYb0R9PWfxtHl%2FbqwdS6vTCkOhI7I%3D&reserved=0
- [Can] The name CAN Adrian Farrel
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- Re: [Can] The name CAN Dirk Trossen
- Re: [Can] The name CAN Linda Dunbar
- Re: [Can] The name CAN John Scudder
- Re: [Can] The name CAN John Scudder
- Re: [Can] The name CAN Erik Kline
- Re: [Can] The name CAN Dhruv Dhody
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- Re: [Can] The name CAN Dirk Trossen
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- Re: [Can] The name CAN Joel Halpern
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