Re: [CCAMP] draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module again

Hi,

Daniele Ceccarelli <daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com> wrote:
> Martin, Benoit,
> 
> i can't force the WG to review a draft (even if we got feedbacks last
> time and we just had another reply from Haomian earlier today).
> What I can say is that there are more chances to have the working
> group review a ccamp draft than a netmod draft and even more if the
> draft is presented during a meeting.

Ok.  But do we agree that the reason for potentially doing this work
in CCAMP is b/c there are people active in CCAMP that also work on
generic alarm functionality in the ITU?

The reason I ask this is that after we had the previous discussion
re. the home of this draft, several people have asked why it isn't
done in NETMOD, and expressed the opinion that it should be done
there.  Reading the CCAMP charter, it is not clear to me how this
document would fit.  So it would be very valuable to get some feedback
indicating that people that also work with alarms in ITU are
interested in this work.

/martin

> BR
> Daniele  
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Benoit Claise [mailto:bclaise@cisco.com]
> > Sent: lunedì 9 ottobre 2017 16:15
> > To: Daniele Ceccarelli <daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com>; Martin
> > Bjorklund
> > <mbj@tail-f.com>
> > Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module@ietf.org
> > Subject: Re: [CCAMP] draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module again
> > 
> > Daniele,
> > 
> > I'm with Martin here. Can we please focus on having the right content
> > and
> > the right feedback, before focusing on the process.
> > 
> > Regards, Benoit
> > > Martin,
> > >
> > > published in CCAMP means to publish it as: draft-vallin-ccamp-alarm-
> > module, i.e. an individual contribution in CCAMP, showing up on CCAMP
> > page, not a CCAMP WG draft.
> > >
> > > We never spoke of a straight adoption without any WG polling, IPR
> > declarations and so on.
> > > Both the Netmod chairs and the routing AD said in their opinion the
> > > draft
> > should have been moved to CCAMP and the authors have been copied in
> > all
> > of the email exchanges.
> > >
> > > BR
> > > Daniele (not speaking for both the CCAMP chairs)
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Martin Bjorklund [mailto:mbj@tail-f.com]
> > >> Sent: lunedì 9 ottobre 2017 15:40
> > >> To: Daniele Ceccarelli <daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com>
> > >> Cc: ccamp@ietf.org; bclaise@cisco.com; draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-
> > >> module@ietf.org
> > >> Subject: Re: [CCAMP] draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module again
> > >>
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >> Daniele Ceccarelli <daniele.ceccarelli@ericsson.com> wrote:
> > >>> Martin,
> > >>>
> > >>> what was agreed was to have the draft re-published as a CCAMP draft
> > >>> and then presented at IETF99 during the CCAMP session.
> > >> Ok, but this was not communicated to the authors.  See the email that
> > >> I quoted in my last email, to which I never got a reply.
> > >>
> > >> Re. re-publishing as CCAMP draft, doesn't the WG first have to
> > >> formally adopt it?  Maybe the process is different in other WGs, but
> > >> I'm used to a process where the WG first review the document, then
> > adopt it.
> > >>
> > >>> Since none of the two things happened it is quite difficult to have
> > >>> people in CCAMP noticing it, reviewing it and providing comments.
> > >> The draft is out there (the individual version), and we would still
> > >> appreciate feedback on the content!
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> /martin
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> BR
> > >>> Daniele
> > >>>
> > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>> From: CCAMP [mailto:ccamp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Martin
> > >>>> Bjorklund
> > >>>> Sent: lunedì 9 ottobre 2017 11:14
> > >>>> To: ccamp@ietf.org
> > >>>> Cc: bclaise@cisco.com; draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module@ietf.org
> > >>>> Subject: [CCAMP] draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module again
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Hi,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> We have received quite a lot of emails indicating support for the
> > >>>> draft "draft- vallin-netmod-alarm-module".  People are asking why
> > >>>> nothing happens with this draft.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> It was decided that CCAMP might be the best place for this draft,
> > >>>> but since then people have expressed that they rather want NETMOD
> > >>>> to
> > >> work on it.
> > >>>> I sent this email to CCAMP but never got any feedback:
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ccamp/f4qUNkpsT5dVF_1l9Ibd3hH1
> > >>>> Y
> > >>>> A4/?qid=2187bb6a3443f12d15a29a03486f0754
> > >>>>
> > >>>> It would be much appreciated if anyone in CCAMP that are also
> > >>>> working on the generic alarm functionality in ITU could send
> > >>>> feedback on
> > >> this document.
> > >>>> The document can be found here:
> > >>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-vallin-netmod-alarm-module
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> /martin
> > >>>>
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> > >
> 