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Re: [CFRG] Off-topic - Re: HPKE and AEAD Authentication Tag Length

Nick Sullivan <nick@cloudflare.com> Tue, 24 August 2021 23:20 UTC

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Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2021 19:20:25 -0400
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Subject: Re: [CFRG] Off-topic - Re: HPKE and AEAD Authentication Tag Length
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Dear CFRG,

We have removed "denis bider" from the CFRG mailing list for
violations of the IETF code of conduct (BCP 54) and have forwarded
this thread to the ombudsteam.

Nick (for the chairs)

On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 6:32 PM denis bider <denisbider.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> No, fuck you, Colin.
>
> We will not see the world die without a remark.
>
> Fuck you.
>
> denis
>
> On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 5:20 PM Colin Perkins <csp@csperkins.org> wrote:
> >
> > This discussion is off-topic for this list – please take it elsewhere.
> >
> > Colin
> >
> >
> > > On 24 Aug 2021, at 23:07, denis bider <denisbider.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Don't want to spend too much time going off-topic, but:
> > >
> > > This mass hysteria is not organic. It is being deliberately caused by
> > > mass media and governments, which are using every single manipulative
> > > approach used by cults.
> > >
> > > Take a look at this image, which represents Biderman's Chart of
> > > Coercion (cca 1956). Compare this to what governments and the media
> > > are doing:
> > >
> > > https://i.imgur.com/lSjqIsa.jpg
> > >
> > > This is NOT innocuous. Governments and media across the world do not
> > > just coincidentally come together and do this.
> > >
> > > denis
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 1:48 AM Dan Harkins <dharkins@lounge.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On 8/23/21 9:13 PM, Peter Gutmann wrote:
> > >>> Dan Harkins <dharkins@lounge.org> quotes:
> > >>>
> > >>>> "knowledgeable security professionals should be able to manage the risks in
> > >>>> connection with [a targeted forgery attack"
> > >>> It's "What is an example of the No True Scotsman Fallacy?", Alex.  Do I get my
> > >>> $400?
> > >>
> > >>    ZZZZzzzzzzztttt! Wrong answer. It's not an appeal to purity, it's
> > >> just an
> > >> observation that people who know what they're doing should know how to
> > >> manage
> > >> risk.
> > >>
> > >>   Of course, in this day and age of entire countries shuttering over a
> > >> single case of a viral infection (1 person out of 5,000,000) perhaps such an
> > >> observation is quaint and nostalgic. Alas, no $400 for you but be sure to stay in
> > >> your bubble and don't you dare speak to your neighbors.
> > >>
> > >>   Dan.
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> "The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to
> > >> escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." -- Marcus Aurelius
> > >>
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> >
> > --
> > Colin Perkins
> > https://csperkins.org/
> >
> >
> >
> >

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