Re: [Detnet] L2/L3 model?

Yes,  
This is what I mean. Thank you Jouni for the clarification.
My point is that the L3 topology DB does not need to know all the details of the L2 topology DB but should only ask the L2 to compute an L2 path based on the L3 circuit constrains. 

/Philippe

-----Original Message-----
From: Jouni Korhonen h
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 1:20 AM
To: Philippe Klein; Erik Nordmark
Cc: detnet@ietf.org
Subject: RE: [Detnet] L2/L3 model?

You mean an L3 router who needs an L2 circuit would ask for an L2 path computation element possibly in the same node to provide a service for setting up the L2 circuit between two L3 nodes?

- Jouni

> -----Original Message-----
> From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Philippe 
> Klein
> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 9:02 PM
> To: Erik Nordmark
> Cc: detnet@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [Detnet] L2/L3 model?
> 
> Erik,
> In my humble view, the L3 must only indicate the L3 router path over 
> of the L2 island with its path attributes  and let the L2 protocol 
> select the constrained path.
> Essentially the inner L2 topology could be ignored by the L3.
> 
> /Philippe
> Broadcom
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Nov 17, 2014, at 20:11, "Erik Nordmark" <nordmark@acm.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> > After the BoF I realized there was one thing we didn't talk about 
> > which is what
> combined L2 and L3 topologies that folks have in mind.
> > It is true that from a packet forwarding perspective both L2 and L3 
> > have
> queues and clocks, but the interaction with the control plane and the 
> approach might be different for different forms of combinations.
> >
> > First of all we have 6TISCH which is an L3-only network.
> >
> > But in combined L2/L3 networks we could have at least
> > - interconnecting L2 islands using L3
> > - arbitrary topologies with mixtures of L2 and L3 forwarding devices
> >
> > A suggestion (at the mike during the BoF) was to consider 
> > pseudo-wires. That
> might make sense when interconnecting L2 islands.
> > But with arbitrary topologies one could end with with a path that as 
> > a mixture
> of bridges and routers e.g.
> >
> >     Sender - B1 - B2 - R1 - B3 - B4 - B5 - R2 - R3 - Listener
> >
> > Are there use cases that result in such topologies/paths?
> >
> > Would one need one controller which is aware of both the L2 and L3 
> > devices
> and can pick paths (with resources) that include both?
> > (Typically we separate the layers thus we might have a PCE which 
> > sees the L3
> topology but not the L2 devices in between the routers.)
> >
> > I think it would be good to explore the combined L2/L3 use cases and 
> > models
> in more detail.
> >
> >   Erik
> >
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