[Detnet] Re: WG adoption poll: joung-detnet-stateless-fair-queuing-05

Mike Blanche <mike-ietf@blanche.org> Thu, 11 December 2025 15:09 UTC

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Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2025 15:09:11 +0000
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Hi all,

This proposal appears very similar to ITU-T Recommendation Y.3129, which I
believe was developed by some of the same authors.

https://www.itu.int/rec/T-REC-Y.3129-202404-I/en

The abstract text of the I-D is virtually identical to the summary of
Y.3129. In addition, significant parts of the content are very similar -
e.g. parts of section 6.3 of the draft are word-for-word the same as parts
of section 8 of the ITU-T Recommendation.

The ITU-T Recommendation is missing from the draft's References section.

I am unclear why we are considering duplicating work that appears to be
already completed at the ITU.

Best regards,

Mike

On Fri, 5 Dec 2025 at 15:49, Janos Farkas <Janos.Farkas=
40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

> Hi,
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> This email begins a 4-week adoption poll for:
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> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-joung-detnet-stateless-fair-queuing/05/
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> No IPR has been disclosed for this document.
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> Please voice your support or technical objections to adoption on the
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> list by the end of the day (any time zone) January 2nd.
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> As a reminder this document is part of the larger set of adoption calls
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> of the documents discussed at IETF 124:
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> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-joung-detnet-stateless-fair-queuing/05
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> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-peng-detnet-deadline-based-forwarding/18
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> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-peng-detnet-packet-timeslot-mechanism/13
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> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-eckert-detnet-tcqf/09
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> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-eckert-detnet-glbf/06
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> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ryoo-detnet-ontime-forwarding/04
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> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ryoo-detnet-nscore/02
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> Thank you,
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> János (as Co-chair)
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