Re: [dhcwg] IPR statement related to draft-ietf-dhc-subscriber-id-X.txt
Bud Millwood <budm@weird-solutions.com> Fri, 06 February 2004 16:14 UTC
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From: Bud Millwood <budm@weird-solutions.com>
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To: Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>
Subject: Re: [dhcwg] IPR statement related to draft-ietf-dhc-subscriber-id-X.txt
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 17:24:59 +0100
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On Friday 06 February 2004 15:53, Ted Lemon wrote: > In this case, we have a patent on some very obvious technology that in > no way merits a patent. We are being asked, as a group, to promote > this technology. I am against promoting this technology if > PacketFront's purpose in acquiring this patent is to charge people > royalties under some definition of "reasonable." I am pushing back on > this in hopes that PacketFront will clarify their intentions. I > suspect that they acquired this patent for defensive reasons, and I > have complete sympathy with that, but if that is the case, I want them > to change the stated terms to reflect that. If I don't push back, > PacketFront has no reason to change their terms, and this creates > uncertainty for implementors of DHCP: will PacketFront sue me? Will > their license terms meet *my* definition of reasonable? I don't see why it's unreasonable to ask for IPR statements that guarantee royalty-free implementation with reciprocity, in return for promotion of the patented technology (as well as the expertise of this group). IMO, by not requiring a royalty-free implementation guarantee, we're outright inviting WG members to start patenting everything they can in order to get some kind of insurance against other patent holders. That's not the kind of environment I'd like to see this WG in. - Bud Bud Millwood Weird Solutions, Inc. http://www.weird-solutions.com tel: +46 8 758 3700 fax: +46 8 758 3687 mailto:budm@weird-solutions.com _______________________________________________ dhcwg mailing list dhcwg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dhcwg
- [dhcwg] IPR statement related to draft-ietf-dhc-s… Ralph Droms
- Re: [dhcwg] IPR statement related to draft-ietf-d… Ted Lemon
- RE: [dhcwg] IPR statement related to draft-ietf-d… Bernie Volz
- Re: [dhcwg] IPR statement related to draft-ietf-d… Thomas Narten
- Re: [dhcwg] IPR statement related to draft-ietf-d… Ted Lemon
- Re: [dhcwg] IPR statement related to draft-ietf-d… Thomas Narten
- Re: [dhcwg] IPR statement related to draft-ietf-d… Ralph Droms
- Re: [dhcwg] IPR statement related to draft-ietf-d… Mark Stapp
- Re: [dhcwg] IPR statement related to draft-ietf-d… Bud Millwood
- Re: [dhcwg] IPR statement related to draft-ietf-d… Ted Lemon
- Re: [dhcwg] IPR statement related to draft-ietf-d… Ted Lemon
- Re: [dhcwg] IPR statement related to draft-ietf-d… John Schnizlein
- Re: [dhcwg] IPR statement related to draft-ietf-d… Ted Lemon
- Re: [dhcwg] IPR statement related to draft-ietf-d… Kim Kinnear
- Re: [dhcwg] IPR statement related to draft-ietf-d… Mark Stapp
- Re: [dhcwg] IPR statement related to draft-ietf-d… Ted Lemon
- Re: [dhcwg] IPR statement related to draft-ietf-d… Vernon Schryver
- RE: [dhcwg] IPR statement related to draft-ietf-d… Barr Hibbs
- RE: [dhcwg] IPR statement related to draft-ietf-d… Mark Stapp
- RE: [dhcwg] IPR statement related to draft-ietf-d… Bernie Volz
- RE: [dhcwg] IPR statement related to draft-ietf-d… Barr Hibbs
- RE: [dhcwg] IPR statement related to draft-ietf-d… Bernie Volz
- RE: [dhcwg] IPR statement related to draft-ietf-d… Ralph Droms
- RE: [dhcwg] IPR statement related to draft-ietf-d… Bernie Volz
- RE: [dhcwg] IPR statement related to draft-ietf-d… Barr Hibbs
- RE: [dhcwg] IPR statement related to draft-ietf-d… Barr Hibbs
- Re: [dhcwg] IPR statement related to draft-ietf-d… Ted Lemon
- Re: [dhcwg] IPR statement related to draft-ietf-d… Ted Lemon
- RE: [dhcwg] IPR statement related to draft-ietf-d… Ralph Droms