RE: [dhcwg] Review of Service-Discovery-Type options in DHCP
Chris Pearson <chris.pearson@infocus.com> Wed, 17 July 2002 00:05 UTC
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From: Chris Pearson <chris.pearson@infocus.com>
To: 'Ted Lemon' <Ted.Lemon@nominum.com>, Stuart Cheshire <cheshire@apple.com>
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Subject: RE: [dhcwg] Review of Service-Discovery-Type options in DHCP
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2002 16:54:22 -0700
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More DNS is better: 3. DHCP provides no mechanism for a client to request configuration options without also requesting address lease renewal. Lease renewal would be a highly undesirable side-effect of service discovery. 4. Service discover is often initiated by applications (rather than by the IP stack). DNS is an application-level, request-response, protocol that is supported by established APIs. DHCP, on the other hand, is an integral part of the IP stack -- DHCP implementations that I know of don't provide an API. 5. DHCP client requests (DHCPREQUEST) must be subnet-broadcast and perhaps relayed, while DNS queries are unicast. I have to agree that DNS SRV doesn't address topology-based server assignment. -- CCP -----Original Message----- From: Ted Lemon [mailto:Ted.Lemon@nominum.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 3:21 AM To: Stuart Cheshire Cc: DHCP discussion list Subject: Re: [dhcwg] Review of Service-Discovery-Type options in DHCP What you propose is perfectly workable, but I don't see how it's *better* than what DHCP already provides. That is, we have something that works now. Why is the DNS a better choice as a resource discovery server? I can think of some reasons, but I'm not sure why you think this makes sense, so I'm grasping at straws a bit - the reasons I can think of in favor of DNS are ones you have stated, and I don't have a real problem with them, but I don't find them particularly compelling either. DNS is better: 1. I already have to have a DNS server. With IPv6, I don't have to have a DHCP server. So this is one less thing I have to configure/deploy. 2. DNS servers understand administrative domains, and administrative domains are a good way to determine which clients should use which servers. DHCP is better: 1. DHCP already solves the problem of locating services, so we don't have to kludge something into the DNS namespace. 2. DHCP servers understand the network topology, and topology is a good way to determine which clients should use which servers. 3. You have to have a DHCP server anyway - how are you going to get the IP address of your DNS server? Arguments (1) are true, although I don't find argument 1 for DNS particularly compelling. The other arguments aren't true - they're just opinions, and not necessarily even particularly valid opinions. My feeling here is that using DNS as a server location protocol is chancy at best, and so I don't want to switch from DHCP to DNS, but I can't prove that I'm right on this. Can you come up with a really compelling argument for using one over the other? _______________________________________________ dhcwg mailing list dhcwg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dhcwg _______________________________________________ dhcwg mailing list dhcwg@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dhcwg
- [dhcwg] Review of Service-Discovery-Type options … Stuart Cheshire
- Re: [dhcwg] Review of Service-Discovery-Type opti… Ted Lemon
- Re: [dhcwg] Review of Service-Discovery-Type opti… John Schnizlein
- RE: [dhcwg] Review of Service-Discovery-Type opti… Chris Pearson
- Re: [dhcwg] Review of Service-Discovery-Type opti… Ralph Droms
- Re: [dhcwg] Review of Service-Discovery-Type opti… Roop Mukherjee
- Re: [dhcwg] Review of Service-Discovery-Type opti… Ted Lemon
- Re: [dhcwg] Review of Service-Discovery-Type opti… Ted Lemon
- Re: [dhcwg] Review of Service-Discovery-Type opti… Ted Lemon
- RE: [dhcwg] Review of Service-Discovery-Type opti… Bernie Volz (EUD)
- RE: [dhcwg] Review of Service-Discovery-Type opti… Bernie Volz (EUD)
- Re: [dhcwg] Review of Service-Discovery-Type opti… Stuart Cheshire
- Re: [dhcwg] Review of Service-Discovery-Type opti… Stuart Cheshire
- Re: [dhcwg] Review of Service-Discovery-Type opti… Jitesh N Verma
- Re: [dhcwg] Review of Service-Discovery-Type opti… Jitesh N Verma
- Re: [dhcwg] Review of Service-Discovery-Type opti… Erik Guttman
- Re: [dhcwg] Review of Service-Discovery-Type opti… Roop Mukherjee
- Re: [dhcwg] Review of Service-Discovery-Type opti… John Schnizlein
- Re: [dhcwg] Review of Service-Discovery-Type opti… David Conrad
- RE: [dhcwg] Review of Service-Discovery-Type opti… Chris Pearson
- Re: [dhcwg] Review of Service-Discovery-Type opti… Ted Lemon
- Re: [dhcwg] Review of Service-Discovery-Type opti… Ted Lemon
- Re: [dhcwg] Review of Service-Discovery-Type opti… Ted Lemon
- Re: [dhcwg] Review of Service-Discovery-Type opti… Ted Lemon
- Re: [dhcwg] Review of Service-Discovery-Type opti… Erik Guttman
- Re: [dhcwg] Review of Service-Discovery-Type opti… Raymond Jayaraj