Re: [dispatch] [rtcweb] Identity? (Re: Datachannel Hackathon at IETF 101 ?)

Harald Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no> Wed, 31 January 2018 07:50 UTC

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Subject: Re: [dispatch] [rtcweb] Identity? (Re: Datachannel Hackathon at IETF 101 ?)
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On 01/31/2018 12:37 AM, Nils Ohlmeier wrote:
> Yes I would love to test it against the Firefox Identity implementation.
>
> Were you thinking about adding it to JS code of an open source bridge/SFU, or standing up an identity service, or both?

Whatever can be shown to work. The point would be to show by
demonstration that it's (relatively) easy to provide and use identity
service and that Firefox browsers can use it with different backends /
services.

(I don't see any chance to get identity into Chrome by London - if we
can build a convincing story in London, the next IETF might be more
hopeful.)

>
> Best
>   Nils
>
>> On Jan 30, 2018, at 05:59, Harald Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no> wrote:
>>
>> Speaking of features that have received little love from deployment ....
>> would anyone be interested in hacking on the identity API?
>>
>> It seems to have received little love from implementors so far, but
>> there's been strong pushback against removing it too. We need either it
>> or something like it to satisfy the security requirements we set out to
>> satisfy.
>>
>> Harald
>>
>>
>> On 01/24/2018 12:28 PM, T H Panton wrote:
>>> There has been talk over on the w3c list about the scarcity and unsuitability of free-standing WebRTC datachannel implementations.
>>>
>>> I wonder if this is a suitable target for the IETF 101 hackathon?
>>>
>>> The challenge would be to throw up one or 2 free standing datachannel implementations based on existing open
>>> source with APIs that might suit authors of networked games or SFUs.
>>>
>>> Comments? Thoughts?
>>>
>>> T.
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