Re: [dispatch] War of the Worlds (was Re: I-D Action: draft-malas-dispatch-sip-egress-route-00)

This really sums up the enigma why the IETF should do work that contradicts
every principle of the Internet architecture and its engineering.

It may be useful to remember the  _solid_   track record of the  "stagnant
world"
* OSI 
* X4.00 mail 
* IN 
* AIN 
* ISDN 
* SONET/SDH 
* ATM 
* BISDN 
* H.323 
* current re-incarnations such as PSTN/SIP and other (avoiding flames
here)...
How many companies have disappeared building this stuff? Layoffs. Capital
destruction.

The other enigma is the tolerance to associate the IETF with the
reincarnations of these failures.

>I have long speculated that perhaps the best thing we can do is punt the
"stagnant world" stuff to a different forum.
>I seem to recall many times suggesting that SIP should just be moved to the ITU
so we can get on with building the Internet.
>I'd happily add ENUM to the same bucket.

Well said.

Thanks, Henry

On 3/16/10 5:49 PM, "Dean Willis" <dean.willis@softarmor.com> wrote:

> 
> On Mar 16, 2010, at 6:24 PM, Adam Roach wrote:
>> 
>> I disagree profoundly with characterizing Rosenberg's Modest Proposal as an
>> appropriate summary of the issues, as it gets the analysis precisely wrong.
>> It proposes completely abandoning the vibrant world as a lost cause, and
>> embracing the stagnant world as the only path forward. This isn't just
>> allowing collateral damage to the vibrant world for the sake of expediency
>> in stagnant world solutions -- it's a suggestion that we nuke the vibrant
>> world so it doesn't keep annoying people trying to develop stagnant
>> solutions.
>> 
> 
> I have long speculated that perhaps the best thing we can do is punt the
> "stagnant world" stuff to a different forum. I seem to recall many times
> suggesting that SIP should just be moved to the ITU so we can get on with
> building the Internet. I'd happily add ENUM to the same bucket.
> 
> The problem is that we might wake up one day and realize that the Internet has
> been turned off, and all we have left is a stagnant backwater of
> telecommunications boundaries established by fat-and-happy politicos eager to
> preserve their own domains.
> 
> The alternative, perhaps, is to embrace stagnation. Then add chlorine.
> 
> --
> Dean
> 
> 
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