Re: [dispatch] War of the Worlds (was Re: I-D Action: draft-malas-dispatch-sip-egress-route-00)
Dean Willis <dean.willis@softarmor.com> Tue, 16 March 2010 22:53 UTC
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Subject: Re: [dispatch] War of the Worlds (was Re: I-D Action: draft-malas-dispatch-sip-egress-route-00)
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On Mar 16, 2010, at 6:24 PM, Adam Roach wrote: > > I disagree profoundly with characterizing Rosenberg's Modest > Proposal as an > appropriate summary of the issues, as it gets the analysis precisely > wrong. > It proposes completely abandoning the vibrant world as a lost cause, > and > embracing the stagnant world as the only path forward. This isn't just > allowing collateral damage to the vibrant world for the sake of > expediency > in stagnant world solutions -- it's a suggestion that we nuke the > vibrant > world so it doesn't keep annoying people trying to develop stagnant > solutions. > I have long speculated that perhaps the best thing we can do is punt the "stagnant world" stuff to a different forum. I seem to recall many times suggesting that SIP should just be moved to the ITU so we can get on with building the Internet. I'd happily add ENUM to the same bucket. The problem is that we might wake up one day and realize that the Internet has been turned off, and all we have left is a stagnant backwater of telecommunications boundaries established by fat-and- happy politicos eager to preserve their own domains. The alternative, perhaps, is to embrace stagnation. Then add chlorine. -- Dean
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