Re: [dispatch] IETF 118

Hi Mark, confirmed, nothing is changing during IETF 118.

Thank you for the feedback on the two other questions. For the WITAREA, I see your point, I think we need to discuss and decide on what the agenda will look like, before deciding what will make sense. I will bring the suggestion to merge the different dispatch groups to the IESG.

Francesca

From: Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>
Date: Monday, 23 October 2023 at 09:40
To: Francesca Palombini <francesca.palombini@ericsson.com>
Cc: Pengshuping (Peng Shuping) <pengshuping=40huawei.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, dispatch@ietf.org <dispatch@ietf.org>, dispatch-chairs@ietf.org <dispatch-chairs@ietf.org>, art-ads@ietf.org <art-ads@ietf.org>, tsv-ads@ietf.org <tsv-ads@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [dispatch] IETF 118 - do you have something for DISPATCH?
Hi Francesca,

> On 23 Oct 2023, at 6:28 pm, Francesca Palombini <francesca.palombini@ericsson.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Mark!
>  Sorry for missing your question. DISPATCH at IETF 118 is scoped to just the ART area. As of IETF 118 the WIT area is not yet formed, so everything that used to be ART is still ART.

So, to confirm, nothing is changing during IETF118?

>  To answer your other questions:
> * Does WITAREA (?) now pertain to both the Web and the Transport-related work, replacing ARTAREA for the ART groups that have moved?
> Yes, it will pertain to the whole area.

There was some pushback from the transport folks on that, which I can understand. Although a lot of work recently has crossed layer abstractions, they still do serve a function -- if I go to a combined area meeting and it spends half of its agenda on congestion control, I'll be similarly disengaged and unhappy as I imagine the transport folks will be at the time consumed talking about HTTP and IMAP semantics.

No offence intended to the congestion control folks, of course...

> * Does TSVWG remain focused on transport, or will it now also include Web-related work?
> As of now, tsvwg is not chartered to do Web-related work. I do not think this needs to change once WIT is formed, but I am open to other opinions, in which case we’ll need to recharter the wg.
>  If WIT will need a dispatch of its own, we will consider charting one (opinions here welcome as well).

I would strongly suggest that we combine SECDISPATCH into DISPATCH and make its scope ART, WIT, and SEC. There is already too much venue shopping / confusion between SECDISPATCH and DISPATCH, and adding a third (which your message implies will be necessary) will only add to the chaos. Getting cross-area review is very healthy at early stages.

Cheers,

>  I hope this answered your questions,
> Francesca
>  From: Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>
> Date: Monday, 23 October 2023 at 08:55
> To: Pengshuping (Peng Shuping) <pengshuping=40huawei.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
> Cc: dispatch@ietf.org <dispatch@ietf.org>, dispatch-chairs@ietf.org <dispatch-chairs@ietf.org>, art-ads@ietf.org <art-ads@ietf.org>
> Subject: Re: [dispatch] IETF 118 - do you have something for DISPATCH?
> Hi Shuping and Jim,
>
> It's not clear from the IESG's message, and they haven't responded to a request for clarification. Is DISPATCH now (as of 118) scoped to just the ART area, or also to the newly minted WIT area?
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> > On 23 Oct 2023, at 5:41 pm, Pengshuping (Peng Shuping) <pengshuping=40huawei.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,  This is a kind reminder to people who want to present in the dispatch and art area joint session but haven’t sent us request.
> >  Thank you!  Best Regards, Shuping   From: dispatch [mailto:dispatch-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Pengshuping (Peng Shuping)
> > Sent: Saturday, October 7, 2023 9:51 AM
> > To: dispatch@ietf.org
> > Cc: dispatch-chairs@ietf.org; art-ads@ietf.org
> > Subject: [dispatch] IETF 118 - do you have something for DISPATCH?
> >  Hi everyone,
> >  It's that time again - we're calling for agenda topics for our next meeting at IETF 118 (4 - 10 Nov 2023). No matter how big or small, if you have something you'd like dispatching or that you think will be of interest to the ART AREA, get in touch and get involved.
> >  If you would like time at the meeting to discuss your work or ideas, please email Jim and me. We're keen to hear from you!
> >  And if you're not really sure what this dispatching thing is for, or if you have any questions about bringing new work, please get in touch with us all the same - we're here to help.
> >  We look forward to hearing from you.
> >  PS. We have updated the DISPATCH WG wiki (https://wiki.ietf.org/group/dispatch) to include more information on how to prepare for attending the session and your presentations in DISPATCH and so on. Hope they are helpful. If you have any suggestions on improving this wiki page and adding more materials, please feel free to email us. Thank you!
> >  Shuping & Jim
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