Re: [dispatch] Comments on draft-saintandre-sip-xmpp-presence-04
Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@stpeter.im> Wed, 03 April 2013 04:07 UTC
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Michael, I think your feedback has been addressed in -05. Please check. On 3/9/13 5:29 PM, Michael Lundberg wrote: > Peter, > > Thanks for resubmitting the SIP-XMPP presence I-D. I think this > and the other documents are important as there are a lot of > interworking issues today with XMPP and SIP/SIMPLE implementations, > and I think these documents can help reduce some of those > interworking challenges. > > In order to help ensure interworking between different > implementations, I think Sections 5.2 and 5.3 need to have some > stronger ‘MUST’ language instead of SHOULDs, MAYs, etc. This will > enforce proper and complete mappings between implementations that > conform to this document. > > While I don’t think the document needs to enforce the use of the > <show/> element mapping discussed in 5.2, I think if > implementations are going to use the mapping, this document should > enforce the use of a specific namespace and describe the mapping of > <show> values specified in RFC 6121 (i.e., away, dnd, chat, and > xa). This will at least allow a minimum set of standard mappings > between XMPP and SIP, which can be expanded on in future > document(s). Section 5.3 could then also discuss how this mapping > can be accomplished from SIP to XMPP if the SIP endpoints/devices > support this same namespace. One of the big interworking > challenges with today’s implementations is the use of different > namespaces given the extensibility of XML-based presence standards > (e.g., PIDF, RPID), which allows individuals to create their own > namespace. This flexibility is good for ingenuity, but problematic > for interworking between different implementations. I think > standardizing a basic set of common status information using a > specific namespace is needed, and this document is a good place to > do that. > > In my opinion, I do not think Section 6 should be part of this > base document. While I like the idea of encapsulating the SIP > <presence> information into the XMPP message, I think this content > should be a consideration for implementing ‘rich presence’. As > written, this method is only applicable for SIP to XMPP > translation, and if the focus of this document is just ‘basic’ > presence information interworking, the SIP to XMPP mapping in > Section 5.3 already describes a method for how this can be > accomplished. > > Regards, Michael _______________________________________________ > dispatch mailing list dispatch@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dispatch > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.18 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJRW6rtAAoJEOoGpJErxa2pF0sP/0IHN6cPgtVnXRKhYh8SrHi6 8MuBgX/ChhuIGS/OtNuO8b334KnBs65DjMakgVSTYqu+QD6ng/MIgLMtoumSbYv0 EJWgyxKY8uuO5HMUshZ7p70ApK6+DD0PqeVKR7bKtFXPFGaVJ/6+NAzSAVSUAJze 4qVSbEkD8/ZQAzo+Y7IRuDXE8j70ZFhTAZUrK22GH00aw++CiXe6VqPBr0eDpsT+ 6xJt9uTwoEBmJ4r97772VI1lX+wrZkQvuhysHyAyq+XsUGpMliFCT+sra5KqAjo1 FDr0zSgz+zf3zqFolORaSaMxYe3Zfc8uzg7XBti3dhnZY0J1HtRZ+ZcBh49YxJc+ ahMrw2K/MiVq+ZgDAwqp6qL64n1TgaXXToDprnYlxFWItlTH/E7oLAcZdBjc6ebn gRWsA/NuE/u12pggoKb42ifW3Zn5J6rGfx4YYSMPmHbzAqmzbOxntL2jKpfd092i BvoVMG/tS7zRiJTfrx+7fAwkUVBgB6SG1w61xPqupmVBc3KWtQyDsYkizLeRDzNx 5jghVEuuDkb/g27flFX4f5KsjXbpeOqoChEbaI0S9Mfk5QZvMgybFoq0Zbb1bhCu Tzia87u+/MiUPQQjaIde75TI33OMX2RsitAWA5+JoBoDKgTFzfd7BcrQrdY7uExo Cf07OkOWExZN9vonPOWk =Qs0U -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
- [dispatch] Comments on draft-saintandre-sip-xmpp-… Michael Lundberg
- Re: [dispatch] Comments on draft-saintandre-sip-x… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [dispatch] Comments on draft-saintandre-sip-x… Michael Lundberg
- Re: [dispatch] Comments on draft-saintandre-sip-x… Michael Lundberg
- Re: [dispatch] Comments on draft-saintandre-sip-x… Peter Saint-Andre