Re: [dmarc-ietf] Decorum on the DMARC WG list and BCP 94

Tim Wicinski <> Thu, 07 January 2021 00:31 UTC

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Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] Decorum on the DMARC WG list and BCP 94
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If you feel a need to be heard, that is also what the chairs are here for.


On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 7:21 PM Seth Blank <> wrote:

> Working Group colleagues,
> Discussion on this list is increasingly out of scope and process,
> unproductive, and antagonistic. This behavior undermines the chartered work
> of this group and will not be tolerated. We expect and require more civil
> discourse from our participants, and remind everyone that disciplining
> others is the purview of the chairs.
> The current phase of work of our charter (
> is to deliver a
> standards track DMARC document based upon operational feedback. We are not
> relitigating SPF, DKIM, DMARC, or ARC, adding new functionality, or
> rehashing other IETF documents or processes.
> When we kicked off DMARC bis, Alexey outlined a clear process:
> Only tickets opened by the Chairs or a document editor to the list are in
> scope for working group discussion. Everything else should result in the
> creation of a ticket to be discussed later, or off-list discussion. The
> Chairs re-affirm that all tickets will be brought to the list.
> To be clear: Before you hit “send” on an email to this list, make sure it
> is on topic for an open ticket and is not likely to escalate tensions.
> Otherwise, delete the message or start a private conversation that is not
> on the list.
> From here on out, due to the counter-productive nature of current list
> discourse, off topic or antagonistic discussions will be given a single
> public warning, per BCP 94 (, which
> implies that further violations will result in a 30 day suspension for the
> participant. The ADs have been consulted, and everyone should consider
> themselves warned.
> Finally, several members of this working group seem to be very effective
> at antagonizing each other. If a thread is spiralling, and a BCP 94 warning
> is given and not heeded, all active participants in the thread after the
> warning has been issued will be suspended, even if it’s to tell others to
> respect the warning.
> Now, let’s get back to our chartered work at hand and open tickets.
> Seth, Tim, and Alexey, as Chairs
> --
> *Seth Blank* | VP, Standards and New Technologies
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