Re: [dns-privacy] Alternative signalling propsals

Wes Hardaker <wes@hardakers.net> Mon, 17 December 2018 18:04 UTC

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From: Wes Hardaker <wes@hardakers.net>
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"Reed, Jon" <jreed@akamai.com> writes:

> On the call, someone (Wes?) proposed an alternative such as records in
> the reverse zones.

Yes, I think this solves a number of issues and creates new ones.  IE,
the list of pros and cons for all solutions includes no item with zero
"cons" unfortunately.

My list for putting a TLSA or similar record at the reverse zone
include:

pros:
- the authoritative server more likely in control of its reverse zone than all
  the forward zones its serving
- the number of reverse zone records to update on a key change is 1 per ip
  address.  The number of name server NS records to update per key
  change is 1 per zone supported, which is very very large for some
  servers [1].
- it feels cleaner

cons:
- not everyone controls their reverse zone easily, especially for those
  that don't hold at least a /24 allocation. Ironically, I fall into
  this camp but still think this is a better solution than a name-based one. 
- requires more lookups
- requires the reverse tree for that address be fully signed

And probably more pros and cons I'm not thinking of at the moment.

[1]: the latest huge DANE support jump at
     https://stats.dnssec-tools.org/ is due to a large number of zones
     suddenly enabling DANE/SMTP on one.com.  That shows the scale of
     some of the larger zone holders.

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