Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] AD review of draft-ietf-dprive-unilateral-probing-09

Paul Wouters <paul@nohats.ca> Tue, 01 August 2023 21:47 UTC

Return-Path: <paul@nohats.ca>
X-Original-To: dns-privacy@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: dns-privacy@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 652DFC151990 for <dns-privacy@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 1 Aug 2023 14:47:01 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -4.405
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.405 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URIBL_DBL_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001, URIBL_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nohats.ca
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([50.223.129.194]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G8mOVeDus0wW for <dns-privacy@ietfa.amsl.com>; Tue, 1 Aug 2023 14:46:56 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mx.nohats.ca (mx.nohats.ca [193.110.157.85]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AD1A9C14CEFF for <dns-privacy@ietf.org>; Tue, 1 Aug 2023 14:46:56 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by mx.nohats.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4RFpbf3XGZz1mC; Tue, 1 Aug 2023 23:46:54 +0200 (CEST)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=nohats.ca; s=default; t=1690926414; bh=4YR0PP0jzLIECB+8bheB4M8yC6Hq4LnBQxkV48mzI5I=; h=From:Subject:Date:References:Cc:In-Reply-To:To; b=E5lg4BXkv686+5Stz7HBwhlcFMdECDUcgTPzRGGKbuv+0rPPGx3h5ZbfUszh58teV z3x9ezMoJx3TCugb04KEpLKqT+uS+ZAwyHQQgXUpUxVNuEfT10UqKPlIHPKoRQsCuY ehKT20uKcDnLLEBvC8yDwNuO5JAKr2AmwSDOiBqs=
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mx.nohats.ca
Received: from mx.nohats.ca ([IPv6:::1]) by localhost (mx.nohats.ca [IPv6:::1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jXP1GgVe0RQO; Tue, 1 Aug 2023 23:46:53 +0200 (CEST)
Received: from bofh.nohats.ca (bofh.nohats.ca [193.110.157.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx.nohats.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Tue, 1 Aug 2023 23:46:53 +0200 (CEST)
Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [193.110.157.209]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by bofh.nohats.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 92C56103A236; Tue, 1 Aug 2023 17:46:52 -0400 (EDT)
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
From: Paul Wouters <paul@nohats.ca>
Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0)
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2023 17:46:38 -0400
Message-Id: <0790FC7E-506D-4876-AF18-7E9E0C65D007@nohats.ca>
References: <2dd2e9e5-378b-ca0e-de17-c0f3c60988c4@innovationslab.net>
Cc: dns-privacy@ietf.org
In-Reply-To: <2dd2e9e5-378b-ca0e-de17-c0f3c60988c4@innovationslab.net>
To: Brian Haberman <brian@innovationslab.net>
X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (20C65)
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dns-privacy/sJgPhAzjUTAEi5nFTGo1huzcH_E>
Subject: Re: [dns-privacy] [Ext] AD review of draft-ietf-dprive-unilateral-probing-09
X-BeenThere: dns-privacy@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.39
Precedence: list
List-Id: Addition of privacy to the DNS protocol <dns-privacy.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/dns-privacy>, <mailto:dns-privacy-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/dns-privacy/>
List-Post: <mailto:dns-privacy@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:dns-privacy-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dns-privacy>, <mailto:dns-privacy-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2023 21:47:01 -0000

On Aug 1, 2023, at 16:37, Brian Haberman <brian@innovationslab.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>     As document shepherd...
> 
>> Paul Wouters pointed out on the list (2023-07-02) that Appendix A is not in the format from RFC 7942, and is not at all definitive, and thus can be removed.
> 
> I got the sense that the WG wanted the list of implementations to remain to facilitate testing. If that is not the case, I can update the shepherd's writeup to remove the offending request to retain the list.

I didn’t see a good reason to go against the advice of 7942 to remove it. If we had published a list of dns software supporting DoH in a document in 2018, how useful or misleading would that list be at this point?

I again recommend to let the RFC editor remove the list before publication.

Paul