Re: [dnsext] WGLC ENDS0-bis
Joao Damas <joao@bondis.org> Tue, 24 May 2011 07:37 UTC
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On 23 May 2011, at 23:08, Edward Lewis wrote: > At 23:00 +0200 5/23/11, Florian Weimer wrote: >> * Olafur Gudmundsson: >> >>> This document obsoletes RFC2671. The big changes from RFC2671 are: >>> - explicit usage of RFC2119 terms and labeling EDNS0 support as MUST; >>> - discussion on payload sizes and selection; >>> - closing of the extended label types registry and classifying >>> bit-labels as Historic; >>> - cleanup of IANA actions (that did not take place when RFC2671 >>> was issued). >> >> I would like to see guidance to implementors how they can actually >> detect EDNS0 support or the lack thereof. Alternatively, a minimum >> level of support could be made mandatory, eventually making the >> existing detection logic obsolete. > > As far as declaring "a minimum level of support": an RFC cannot say "you must implement me, even if you were implemented last year." That just doesn't work. > Yep. > For backwards compatibility, we are stuck with probing for functionality. This is a weakness of the DNS architecture. > -- DNS transactions are meant to take a minimum of resources on either side. That is kind of contrary to a feature negotiation handshake ahead of the query (though one could cache a server's characteristics after the first exchange if the two messages, query and response, are able to transport that information. I think that's all that could be said here Joao
- [dnsext] WGLC ENDS0-bis Olafur Gudmundsson
- Re: [dnsext] WGLC ENDS0-bis Brian Dickson
- Re: [dnsext] WGLC ENDS0-bis Chris Thompson
- Re: [dnsext] WGLC ENDS0-bis Tony Finch
- Re: [dnsext] WGLC ENDS0-bis Edward Lewis
- Re: [dnsext] WGLC ENDS0-bis Joe Abley
- Re: [dnsext] WGLC ENDS0-bis Alex Bligh
- Re: [dnsext] WGLC ENDS0-bis João Damas
- Re: [dnsext] WGLC ENDS0-bis Ray Bellis
- Re: [dnsext] WGLC ENDS0-bis Edward Lewis
- Re: [dnsext] WGLC ENDS0-bis Florian Weimer
- Re: [dnsext] WGLC ENDS0-bis Edward Lewis
- Re: [dnsext] WGLC ENDS0-bis Joao Damas
- Re: [dnsext] WGLC ENDS0-bis Florian Weimer