Re: [dnsext] Historical root keys: The Large Router Vendor Speaks
Florian Weimer <fweimer@bfk.de> Fri, 28 January 2011 08:34 UTC
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Subject: Re: [dnsext] Historical root keys: The Large Router Vendor Speaks
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* John Bashinski: > I am, however, the person who's writing the internal standards in > question for the "large router vendor", and I guess I've just authorized > myself to disclose what the "large router vendor" is thinking about > doing, so that maybe some of the constraints are a little more clear. Would it help you if there weren't any vanity key rollovers at all? Then the remaining cases are, as far as I can see: (i) key is lost (ii) key is compromised (iii) cryptographic algorithms are compromised (iv) control of the root zone changes In cases (i), (iv), you cannot expect that the new key material will be signed by the old. In case (ii), you cannot rely on the signature from the old key material. In case (iii), you'll likely need a firmware update to implement new algorithms, and you can ship new key material with that. What am I missing? -- Florian Weimer <fweimer@bfk.de> BFK edv-consulting GmbH http://www.bfk.de/ Kriegsstraße 100 tel: +49-721-96201-1 D-76133 Karlsruhe fax: +49-721-96201-99
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- Re: [dnsext] Historical root keys: The Large Rout… Joe Abley
- Re: [dnsext] Historical root keys: The Large Rout… David Conrad
- Re: [dnsext] Historical root keys: The Large Rout… Brian Dickson
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- Re: [dnsext] Historical root keys: The Large Rout… Florian Weimer
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- Re: [dnsext] Historical root keys: The Large Rout… John Bashinski
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- Re: [dnsext] Historical root keys: The Large Rout… John Bashinski
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- Re: [dnsext] Historical root keys: The Large Rout… Ted Lemon
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- Re: [dnsext] A question about the need for "histo… Ted Lemon
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