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Re: [DNSOP] raising the bar: requiring implementations

神明達哉 <jinmei@wide.ad.jp> Thu, 05 April 2018 20:31 UTC

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At Thu, 5 Apr 2018 13:46:29 -0400,
tjw ietf <tjw.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

> What is work: An "informational" document being used as standard is people
> taking a submitted (expired) draft as "standard"?

I'm not sure how to interpret it (not even sure if it's a question to
me)...but I guess what I think is the most important point of my
previous message is "for future dnsop documents, we shouldn't use the
intended informational status as an excuse to casually dismiss serious
questions/suggestions from implementers".

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JINMEI, Tatuya

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