Re: [DNSOP] DNS privacy and AS 112: the case of home.arpa
Mark Andrews <marka@isc.org> Thu, 14 December 2017 01:19 UTC
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] DNS privacy and AS 112: the case of home.arpa
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Looks like we need to open a ticket for those. But the ones people actually have internal zones in are correct. Check the RFC 1918 delegations. I know these started out being delegated to blackhole servers before the parent zones were signed by this isn’t rocket science. [rock:bin/tests/system] marka% dig 10.in-addr.arpa @f.in-addr-servers.arpa +dnssec ; <<>> DiG 9.12.0rc1+hotspot+add-prefetch+marka <<>> 10.in-addr.arpa @f.in-addr-servers.arpa +dnssec ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 15498 ;; flags: qr rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 4, ADDITIONAL: 1 ;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available ;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION: ; EDNS: version: 0, flags: do; udp: 4096 ; COOKIE: 1a755958649b4ee4edf6fe055a31cb4dc97ce57a3c818987 (good) ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;10.in-addr.arpa. IN A ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: 10.in-addr.arpa. 86400 IN NS blackhole-2.iana.org. 10.in-addr.arpa. 86400 IN NS blackhole-1.iana.org. 10.in-addr.arpa. 3600 IN NSEC 100.in-addr.arpa. NS RRSIG NSEC 10.in-addr.arpa. 3600 IN RRSIG NSEC 8 3 3600 20171229130507 20171208140001 51846 in-addr.arpa. WcpA1d1GIL2vC22QrTf6V3wni22+aD8XlTgSR3K8WAvf7vWfz1NcUIeW 8fiRVj2tTq7rJlnxdoTtTheM1COZrZCdxhBa2wHHnte8k4MlD+p5Wiza 5NjitvL/ASp2VPAdOfEofsJSgWHyQ1C4obCsYGMxux3dgv7ePdYiPzgr 9hE= ;; Query time: 411 msec ;; SERVER: 2001:67c:e0::1#53(2001:67c:e0::1) ;; WHEN: Thu Dec 14 11:52:29 AEDT 2017 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 342 [rock:bin/tests/system] marka% [rock:~/git/bind9x] marka% dig 17.172.in-addr.arpa +dnssec @r.arin.net ; <<>> DiG 9.12.0rc1+hotspot+add-prefetch+marka <<>> 17.172.in-addr.arpa +dnssec @r.arin.net ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 1672 ;; flags: qr rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 4, ADDITIONAL: 1 ;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available ;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION: ; EDNS: version: 0, flags: do; udp: 4096 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;17.172.in-addr.arpa. IN A ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: 17.172.in-addr.arpa. 86400 IN NS blackhole-1.iana.org. 17.172.in-addr.arpa. 86400 IN NS blackhole-2.iana.org. 17.172.in-addr.arpa. 10800 IN NSEC 170.172.in-addr.arpa. NS RRSIG NSEC 17.172.in-addr.arpa. 10800 IN RRSIG NSEC 5 4 10800 20171227213540 20171213203540 40857 172.in-addr.arpa. kLq3ev/dBxW/4NEDxBJlksmE6nXI7CZC84D17ZLsLzo4jThantJea5fw UTdtR/YFt0kFAYtNv3gTkHn8E48wQV/50rExb5Kg4iKTSCol84S6o6p0 Lt6lKslVCt8qPIjonScKmJhly9WlO/mPqsFu7xNoK4wFGs2p+hOMcvkQ oN8= ;; Query time: 320 msec ;; SERVER: 2001:500:f0::63#53(2001:500:f0::63) ;; WHEN: Thu Dec 14 12:17:37 AEDT 2017 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 326 [rock:~/git/bind9x] marka% [rock:bin/tests/system] marka% dig 168.192.in-addr.arpa +dnssec @r.arin.net ; <<>> DiG 9.12.0rc1+hotspot+add-prefetch+marka <<>> 168.192.in-addr.arpa +dnssec @r.arin.net ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 3764 ;; flags: qr rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 4, ADDITIONAL: 1 ;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available ;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION: ; EDNS: version: 0, flags: do; udp: 4096 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;168.192.in-addr.arpa. IN A ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: 168.192.in-addr.arpa. 86400 IN NS blackhole-1.iana.org. 168.192.in-addr.arpa. 86400 IN NS blackhole-2.iana.org. 168.192.in-addr.arpa. 10800 IN NSEC 0.169.192.in-addr.arpa. NS RRSIG NSEC 168.192.in-addr.arpa. 10800 IN RRSIG NSEC 5 4 10800 20171227213323 20171213203323 57162 192.in-addr.arpa. Pg7l5KbT8lU7pbZJf/W1CeKM68b9gp8Nck0e+IsiJ08kcjHPXyVg6juu 1f5eLDbbq7SeqR8yMxu9BKf4FqXhgzsqTxXB5AdwCNIBLEHwbWSIurqy nFiTD1upf3PbiSmheqLGz2n3kCqgMS+/dVapW4y2JQsDMEBp1Q/Y5ux/ UpY= ;; Query time: 293 msec ;; SERVER: 2001:500:f0::63#53(2001:500:f0::63) ;; WHEN: Thu Dec 14 12:03:18 AEDT 2017 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 329 [rock:bin/tests/system] marka% > On 14 Dec 2017, at 11:40 am, Joe Abley <jabley@hopcount.ca> wrote: > > Hi Mark, > >> On Dec 13, 2017, at 17:09, Mark Andrews <marka@isc.org> wrote: >> >> Section 7 says: > > Yes, I know. I read it. > >> RFC 6303 has similar requirements and IANA was able to co-ordinate those delegation. > > Apart from the zones originally delegated to the AS112 project, I couldn't find a zone specified in 6303 that is delegated at all, actually. > > Admittedly I didn't check all of them (I got bored after 0.in-addr.arpa, 127.in-addr.arpa, 2.0.192.in-addr.arpa and d.f.ip6.arpa). Here's an example: > > monster:~]% dig @b.in-addr-servers.arpa 0.in-addr.arpa soa +norec +dnssec > > ; <<>> DiG 9.11.2 <<>> @b.in-addr-servers.arpa 0.in-addr.arpa soa +norec +dnssec > ; (2 servers found) > ;; global options: +cmd > ;; Got answer: > ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 64980 > ;; flags: qr aa; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 4, ADDITIONAL: 1 > > ;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION: > ; EDNS: version: 0, flags: do; udp: 4096 > ;; QUESTION SECTION: > ;0.in-addr.arpa. IN SOA > > ;; AUTHORITY SECTION: > in-addr.arpa. 3600 IN NSEC 1.in-addr.arpa. NS SOA RRSIG NSEC DNSKEY > in-addr.arpa. 3600 IN RRSIG NSEC 8 2 3600 20171228213500 20171208080001 51846 in-addr.arpa. D167CxX3WV8Cygq3JHJ8Ik4VUo5qGbEqxGq68vyil2QMhf9O7DjyU3sn q3S9kR+TJ7yQJPsfzy6Qqygft2Jnr0pujDspruYyKcFfx5WbO2X7pTxQ zFSjjHspZPCJ5ZVNoML/3aFYcqvBeYZWViZB8zCuyYZWF6YXtDppXukz 3GQ= > in-addr.arpa. 3600 IN SOA b.in-addr-servers.arpa. nstld.iana.org. 2017102477 1800 900 604800 3600 > in-addr.arpa. 3600 IN RRSIG SOA 8 2 3600 20171231104329 20171210060001 51846 in-addr.arpa. a7/wJ7RcUM9MOV3M0+0i9MUgOF4Yw6VqUIuR7ItN70CuM8qoCYGi+0/F bRiiHPeRFgFD92Shgb7pwRsM2lYh53jheWAZSOg8wOdNMaF+eiEolErv wpBuDoZM/m1mlAZ26BiN2BKDDh22AXj/76KA+pgIa+J3y2kQHYsNKEmB pvg= > > ;; Query time: 22 msec > ;; SERVER: 2001:500:87::87#53(2001:500:87::87) > ;; WHEN: Thu Dec 14 00:39:19 UTC 2017 > ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 492 > > [monster:~]% > > > Joe -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: marka@isc.org
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- Re: [DNSOP] DNS privacy and AS 112: the case of h… Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] DNS privacy and AS 112: the case of h… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] DNS privacy and AS 112: the case of h… Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] DNS privacy and AS 112: the case of h… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] DNS privacy and AS 112: the case of h… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] Re: DNS privacy and AS 112: the… Kim Davies
- Re: [DNSOP] [Ext] DNS privacy and AS 112: the cas… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] DNS privacy and AS 112: the case of h… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] DNS privacy and AS 112: the case of h… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] DNS privacy and AS 112: the case of h… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] DNS privacy and AS 112: the case of h… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] DNS privacy and AS 112: the case of h… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] DNS privacy and AS 112: the case of h… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] DNS privacy and AS 112: the case of h… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] DNS privacy and AS 112: the case of h… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] DNS privacy and AS 112: the case of h… Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] DNS privacy and AS 112: the case of h… Ted Lemon
- Re: [DNSOP] DNS privacy and AS 112: the case of h… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] DNS privacy and AS 112: the case of h… Stephane Bortzmeyer