Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Action: draft-chapin-additional-reserved-tlds-00.txt

Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net> Tue, 04 March 2014 15:17 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] additional special names Fwd: I-D Action: draft-chapin-additional-reserved-tlds-00.txt
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On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net>; wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Joe Abley <jabley@hopcount.ca>; wrote:
>>
>> On 3 Mar 2014, at 14:19, Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net>; wrote:
>>
>>>   3.  The root zone nameservers should either return NXDOMAIN
>>>       responses, or the ALT TLD should be delegated to "new style"
>>>       AS112 nameservers.  (TODO(WK): WK, JA, BD to revive AS112 /
>>>       AS112-bis).
>>
>> New-style AS112 proposes redirection to an empty zone rather than delegation.
>>
>> There's no machinery currently available to deploy a DNAME in the root zone, as far as I know. Since the IANA uses EPP to submit change requests to Verisign for implementation, and since the implementation ("RZM") has not suffered from rapid development in the past, I suspect (pragmatically speaking) this is a non-starter.
>>
>> Delegation of ALT from the root zone seems likely to be interpreted as a provocative end-run around the new gTLD process and seems likely to raise eyebrows, if not hairs on the backs of necks.
>
> Yes. Which is why I think that some of this involves us[0] talking to
> ICANN and explaining the reason / purpose for ALT, and playing nice.
> Explaining that this is not usable as a further delegation (you cannot
> register a usable *DNS* name under this), and it should (hopefully)
> stop people "squatting" on labels that might otherwise be available as
> future TLDs should help ease over some of the uneasiness.  Basically
> saying "There's an upcoming problem over here. Here's a mitigation
> option, we'd like to do $foo." and not "Mine! Mine! We can do $foo and
> you can't stop us, mwahaahha".
>

Sorry all, I'm sitting in the DNSE BoF, got over excited and clicked
send before I was really finished.

I think that the "to delegate or not delegate" bit is simply a detail
/ optimization. We also don't need to, and shouldn't go into all the
discussions about who has the right to do this, who gave them the
right, which side they crack the egg on, what size cookies they serve,
etc.
Let's figure out what the right answers are, and then figure out how
(and if) we get there from here.

W


>
> W
> [0]: Read: The IETF ICANN Liaison / someone involved in both communities.
>
>>
>> I don't see an obvious path forward here. We are in a maze of twisty passages, all alike.
>>
>>
>> Joe