[DNSOP] Re: sign the whole zone, was optimisng root zone signing for iXFR
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Subject: [DNSOP] Re: sign the whole zone, was optimisng root zone signing for iXFR
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It appears that Willem Toorop <willem@nlnetlabs.nl> said: >So in theory, the resolver could do with a transfer of the zone without >the RRSIGs for the DSes, provided (for example) that there is also a >ZONEMD + RRSIG for the unsigned data ... >Only for validating clients (still rare?) that will query for the DS of >the delegations explicitly, an exception needs to be made and a query >needs to go to the root server to get the DS with RRSIG then anyway. This is starting to bleed into DELEG. The main point here is that if you are sure you can trust whatever is giving you your DNS answers, you can skip the validation. (We'll skip over the detail that there are basically no validating clients, so in practice we do so now even without a trusted channel.) That's clearly the direction we're going so we might give some thouught about how to get there without reinventing the wheel more times than we have to. R's, John
- [DNSOP] 4 documents for consideration about the f… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… George Michaelson
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… John Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… George Michaelson
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… Michael Richardson
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… Ralf Weber
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… George Michaelson
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Michael Richardson
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Ben Schwartz
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Michael Richardson
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… John Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… George Michaelson
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Ben Schwartz
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Mark Andrews
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… John R Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… Benno Overeinder
- [DNSOP] Re: root zone transfers and CDNs Jared Mauch
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Ben Schwartz
- [DNSOP] Re: optimisng root zone signing for iXFR Paul Vixie
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Michael Richardson
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Warren Kumari
- [DNSOP] Re: root zone transfers and CDNs Warren Kumari
- [DNSOP] optimisng root zone signing for iXFR Jim Reid
- [DNSOP] Re: optimisng root zone signing for iXFR Steve Crocker
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Libor Peltan
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: optimisng root zone signing for iXFR Willem Toorop
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… Florian Obser
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Petr Špaček
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] root zone transfers and CDNs Jim Reid
- [DNSOP] Re: root zone transfers and CDNs Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOProot zone transfers and CDNs Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: root zone transfers and CDNs Florian Obser
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Joe Abley
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Petr Špaček
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Michael Richardson
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Petr Špaček
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOPDNSOP4 documents for consid… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Ben Schwartz
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Petr Špaček
- [DNSOP] Re: optimisng root zone signing for iXFR Geoff Huston
- [DNSOP] Re: optimisng root zone signing for iXFR Petr Špaček
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Geoff Huston
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… Florian Obser
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] actual expire time for http-based xfrs Jim Reid
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] actual expire time for http-bas… Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP[Ext] actual expire time for htt… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP[Ext] actual expire time for htt… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: actual expire time for http-based xfrs Florian Obser
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] actual expire time for http-bas… marka
- [DNSOP] Re: actual expire time for http-based xfrs marka
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… marka
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… marka
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… Robert Edmonds
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… marka
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… Robert Edmonds
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Ben Schwartz
- [DNSOP] Re: actual expire time for http-based xfrs Florian Obser
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Paul Vixie
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… George Michaelson
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Joe Abley
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… George Michaelson
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP[Ext] actual expire time for htt… Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Florian Obser
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Joe Abley
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Ben Schwartz
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Florian Obser
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… Florian Obser
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Ray Bellis
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Florian Obser
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOPDNSOP4 documents for consid… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOPDNSOP4 documents for consid… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… Michael Richardson
- [DNSOP] Pushing items out of cache Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] Re: Pushing items out of cache Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… John Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Pushing items out of cache Mukund Sivaraman
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Pushing items out of cache Mukund Sivaraman
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Pushing items out of cache Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOPDNSOP4 documents for consid… Florian Obser
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Pushing items out of cache Otto Moerbeek
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Pushing items out of cache Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… Ralf Weber
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… Michael Richardson
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… George Michaelson
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP[Ext] Pushing items out of cache Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOPDNSOP4 documents for consid… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… John Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOPDNSOP4 documents for consid… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP[Ext] Pushing items out of cache Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: optimisng root zone signing for iXFR Willem Toorop
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Florian Obser
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP[Ext] Pushing items out of cache Ray Bellis
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… Robert Edmonds
- [DNSOP] Re: optimisng root zone signing for iXFR Peter Thomassen
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP[Ext] Pushing items out of cache Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP[Ext] Pushing items out of … Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: optimisng root zone signing for iXFR Willem Toorop
- [DNSOP] Re: sign the whole zone, was optimisng ro… John Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Willem Toorop
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Pushing items out of cache Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP[Ext] Pushing items out of … Ray Bellis
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Wes Hardaker