[DNSOP] Re: optimisng root zone signing for iXFR
Steve Crocker <steve@shinkuro.com> Mon, 02 February 2026 15:35 UTC
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From: Steve Crocker <steve@shinkuro.com>
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2026 10:26:10 -0500
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Subject: [DNSOP] Re: optimisng root zone signing for iXFR
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Paul, I, for one, am interested in why you do not think hyperlocal root is beneficial. Steve Sent by a Verified sender On Mon, Feb 2, 2026 at 10:24 AM Paul Vixie <paul= 40redbarn.org@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > Jim, if we believe hyper local root has benefits which outweigh its > complexity costs [noting: I do not] then timeliness, authenticity, and > network load are still vital. Dnssec and ixfr must therefore also be vital. > This would justify fine tuning of the dnssec part in order to optimize the > ixfr part. I respect your caution but we have already thrown caution to the > wind on this topic. > Paul Vixie > > Jan 30, 2026 13:19:45 Jim Reid <Jim@RFC1035.com>: > > > > On 30 Jan 2026, at 19:24, Ben Schwartz <bemasc=40meta.com@dmarc.ietf.org> > wrote: > > Can, and should, the IETF advise DNS root zone signers to adjust their > behavior to improve support for IXFR? > > > Maybe, maybe not. Before the IETF starts solutioneering on this topic, > gathering more data would be advisable: ie is there a problem here that > needs fixing? Optimising for root zone ixfrs is all very well in the > abstract and I recognise it's at least a theoretical problem. But would it > make a material difference? > > _______________________________________________ > DNSOP mailing list -- dnsop@ietf.org > To unsubscribe send an email to dnsop-leave@ietf.org >
- [DNSOP] 4 documents for consideration about the f… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… George Michaelson
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… John Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… George Michaelson
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… Michael Richardson
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… Ralf Weber
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… George Michaelson
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Michael Richardson
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Ben Schwartz
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Michael Richardson
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… John Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… George Michaelson
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Ben Schwartz
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Mark Andrews
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… John R Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… Benno Overeinder
- [DNSOP] Re: root zone transfers and CDNs Jared Mauch
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Ben Schwartz
- [DNSOP] Re: optimisng root zone signing for iXFR Paul Vixie
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Michael Richardson
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Warren Kumari
- [DNSOP] Re: root zone transfers and CDNs Warren Kumari
- [DNSOP] optimisng root zone signing for iXFR Jim Reid
- [DNSOP] Re: optimisng root zone signing for iXFR Steve Crocker
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Libor Peltan
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: optimisng root zone signing for iXFR Willem Toorop
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… Florian Obser
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Petr Špaček
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] root zone transfers and CDNs Jim Reid
- [DNSOP] Re: root zone transfers and CDNs Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOProot zone transfers and CDNs Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: root zone transfers and CDNs Florian Obser
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Joe Abley
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Petr Špaček
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Michael Richardson
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Petr Špaček
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOPDNSOP4 documents for consid… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Ben Schwartz
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Petr Špaček
- [DNSOP] Re: optimisng root zone signing for iXFR Geoff Huston
- [DNSOP] Re: optimisng root zone signing for iXFR Petr Špaček
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Geoff Huston
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… Florian Obser
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] actual expire time for http-based xfrs Jim Reid
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] actual expire time for http-bas… Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP[Ext] actual expire time for htt… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP[Ext] actual expire time for htt… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: actual expire time for http-based xfrs Florian Obser
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] actual expire time for http-bas… marka
- [DNSOP] Re: actual expire time for http-based xfrs marka
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… marka
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… marka
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… Robert Edmonds
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… marka
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… Robert Edmonds
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Ben Schwartz
- [DNSOP] Re: actual expire time for http-based xfrs Florian Obser
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Paul Vixie
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… George Michaelson
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Joe Abley
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… George Michaelson
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP[Ext] actual expire time for htt… Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Florian Obser
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Joe Abley
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Ben Schwartz
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Florian Obser
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… Florian Obser
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Ray Bellis
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Florian Obser
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOPDNSOP4 documents for consid… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOPDNSOP4 documents for consid… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… Michael Richardson
- [DNSOP] Pushing items out of cache Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] Re: Pushing items out of cache Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… John Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Pushing items out of cache Mukund Sivaraman
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Pushing items out of cache Mukund Sivaraman
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Pushing items out of cache Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOPDNSOP4 documents for consid… Florian Obser
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Pushing items out of cache Otto Moerbeek
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Pushing items out of cache Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… Ralf Weber
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… Michael Richardson
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… George Michaelson
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP[Ext] Pushing items out of cache Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOPDNSOP4 documents for consid… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… John Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOPDNSOP4 documents for consid… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP[Ext] Pushing items out of cache Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: optimisng root zone signing for iXFR Willem Toorop
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Florian Obser
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP[Ext] Pushing items out of cache Ray Bellis
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… Robert Edmonds
- [DNSOP] Re: optimisng root zone signing for iXFR Peter Thomassen
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP[Ext] Pushing items out of cache Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP[Ext] Pushing items out of … Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: optimisng root zone signing for iXFR Willem Toorop
- [DNSOP] Re: sign the whole zone, was optimisng ro… John Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Willem Toorop
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Pushing items out of cache Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP[Ext] Pushing items out of … Ray Bellis
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Wes Hardaker