[DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for consideration about the future of LocalRoot behavior.
Wes Hardaker <wjhns1@hardakers.net> Mon, 26 January 2026 21:41 UTC
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Subject: [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for consideration about the future of LocalRoot behavior.
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Ben Schwartz <bemasc=40meta.com@dmarc.ietf.org> writes: > Suggesting that LocalRoot resolvers use HTTP, on the other hand, seems like a dangerous > shortcut. We could remove the suggestion, but please do note that the documents really say implementations should use what is best for them. It suggests that HTTP has some advantages, and you're right we should probably add some text describing why DNS does too. IMHO, we should be providing options not mandates for what to use. > (IXFR seems well-suited to LocalRoot, but we could pretty easily layer > on ZSTD or something if needed.) IXFR actually isn't useful for signed zones, as the IXFR content ends up being about the same size after every zone signing. But do note that it's an option for URLs in the option list too. > The proposed "root zone publication points" system effectively > introduces a hard dependency on HTTP, to accomplish the equivalent of > what DNS Priming does in-band. No, it says that both AXFR and HTTP records should be available for use. That's an option not a dependency. -- Wes Hardaker Google
- [DNSOP] 4 documents for consideration about the f… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… George Michaelson
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… John Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… George Michaelson
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… Michael Richardson
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… Ralf Weber
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… George Michaelson
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Michael Richardson
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Ben Schwartz
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Michael Richardson
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… John Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… George Michaelson
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Ben Schwartz
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Mark Andrews
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… John R Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… Benno Overeinder
- [DNSOP] Re: root zone transfers and CDNs Jared Mauch
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Ben Schwartz
- [DNSOP] Re: optimisng root zone signing for iXFR Paul Vixie
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Michael Richardson
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Warren Kumari
- [DNSOP] Re: root zone transfers and CDNs Warren Kumari
- [DNSOP] optimisng root zone signing for iXFR Jim Reid
- [DNSOP] Re: optimisng root zone signing for iXFR Steve Crocker
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Libor Peltan
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: optimisng root zone signing for iXFR Willem Toorop
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… Florian Obser
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Petr Špaček
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] root zone transfers and CDNs Jim Reid
- [DNSOP] Re: root zone transfers and CDNs Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOProot zone transfers and CDNs Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: root zone transfers and CDNs Florian Obser
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Joe Abley
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Petr Špaček
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Michael Richardson
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Petr Špaček
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOPDNSOP4 documents for consid… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Ben Schwartz
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Petr Špaček
- [DNSOP] Re: optimisng root zone signing for iXFR Geoff Huston
- [DNSOP] Re: optimisng root zone signing for iXFR Petr Špaček
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Geoff Huston
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… Florian Obser
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] actual expire time for http-based xfrs Jim Reid
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] actual expire time for http-bas… Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP[Ext] actual expire time for htt… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP[Ext] actual expire time for htt… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: actual expire time for http-based xfrs Florian Obser
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] actual expire time for http-bas… marka
- [DNSOP] Re: actual expire time for http-based xfrs marka
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… marka
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… marka
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… Robert Edmonds
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… marka
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… Robert Edmonds
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Ben Schwartz
- [DNSOP] Re: actual expire time for http-based xfrs Florian Obser
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Paul Vixie
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… George Michaelson
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Joe Abley
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… George Michaelson
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP[Ext] actual expire time for htt… Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Florian Obser
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Joe Abley
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Ben Schwartz
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Florian Obser
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… Florian Obser
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Ray Bellis
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Florian Obser
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOPDNSOP4 documents for consid… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOPDNSOP4 documents for consid… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… Michael Richardson
- [DNSOP] Pushing items out of cache Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] Re: Pushing items out of cache Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… John Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Pushing items out of cache Mukund Sivaraman
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Pushing items out of cache Mukund Sivaraman
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Pushing items out of cache Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOPDNSOP4 documents for consid… Florian Obser
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Pushing items out of cache Otto Moerbeek
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Pushing items out of cache Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… Ralf Weber
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… Michael Richardson
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… George Michaelson
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP[Ext] Pushing items out of cache Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOPDNSOP4 documents for consid… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… John Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOPDNSOP4 documents for consid… Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP[Ext] Pushing items out of cache Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: optimisng root zone signing for iXFR Willem Toorop
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Florian Obser
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP[Ext] Pushing items out of cache Ray Bellis
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: 4 documents for consideration about t… Robert Edmonds
- [DNSOP] Re: optimisng root zone signing for iXFR Peter Thomassen
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP[Ext] Pushing items out of cache Philip Homburg
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP[Ext] Pushing items out of … Wes Hardaker
- [DNSOP] Re: optimisng root zone signing for iXFR Willem Toorop
- [DNSOP] Re: sign the whole zone, was optimisng ro… John Levine
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOP4 documents for consideration ab… Willem Toorop
- [DNSOP] Re: [Ext] Pushing items out of cache Paul Hoffman
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP[Ext] Pushing items out of … Ray Bellis
- [DNSOP] Re: DNSOPDNSOP4 documents for considerati… Wes Hardaker