Re: [DNSOP] Minimum viable ANAME

Tim Wicinski <tjw.ietf@gmail.com> Mon, 05 November 2018 08:43 UTC

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Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2018 15:43:52 +0700
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Minimum viable ANAME
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I agree.  We're not trying to boil the DoH Oceans.

On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 3:42 PM Ray Bellis <ray@bellis.me.uk> wrote:

>
>
> On 05/11/2018 12:51, Brian Dickson wrote:
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> > It's a lot better than ANAME, and I think we do a disservice to
> > ourselves as a DNS community, if we do anything other than put our
> > collective support into it, preferably unanimously.
>
> Thank for you the support!
>
> > I see getting http adopted and deployed, and fixing the single major
> > web-specific deficiency in DNS, as critical to attempting to head off
> > DoH, which is the biggest bugbear at the moment.
>
> But please, let's not get into that argument.  The only way to stave off
> adding complexity in the DNS to fix the CNAME at apex problem is with
> the cooperation of the browser vendors (and as Tim notes, the major
> authoritative operators).  We need their help, just like they need ours.
>
> Ray
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