Re: [DNSOP] zonemd/xhash versus nothing new

David Conrad <drc@virtualized.org> Tue, 31 July 2018 00:15 UTC

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From: David Conrad <drc@virtualized.org>
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] zonemd/xhash versus nothing new
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On Jul 30, 2018, at 5:03 PM, Wes Hardaker <wjhns1@hardakers.net> wrote:
>> I think the use for non-root zones is quite a different use case,

I don’t.

>> so if
>> I ignore that, we are looking at specifically the root zone only.
> 
> Please don't ignore that.  We really do ourselves a disservice when we
> design a solution that only works for singular or minimal instances.
> This is beneficial to more than just the root zone.

+1

I don’t think the benefits of mirroring a zone into a resolver is limited to the root.

Regards,
-drc