Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld-13.txt

John R Levine <johnl@taugh.com> Thu, 24 June 2021 23:21 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dnsop-alt-tld-13.txt
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>> I'd also like it to say more clearly up front that .ALT is for names that are
>> totally outside the DNS protocols, not for names handled locally using DNS protocols.
>> It's for things like .onion, not like .local.
>
> Both .onion and .local use protocols other than the DNS, acknowledging of course that the protocol used for names under .local is quite DNS-like.

My wording wasn't great -- .local resolves to an IP address while .alt 
doesn't.

> Did I miss the conversation where the working group decided to pivot? 
> (Not a rhetorical question! I am very prepared for the answer to be yes 
> :-) If anybody has a handy pointer to the relevant part of the mailing 
> list archive I'd appreciate it.

If you mean draft-arends-private-use-tld, that was tilting at a different 
windmill.

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John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY
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