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Re: [DNSOP] 答复: 答复: Fwd: I-D Action: draft-song-atr-large-resp-00.txt

Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com> Fri, 22 September 2017 13:58 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] 答复: 答复: Fwd: I-D Action: draft-song-atr-large-resp-00.txt
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On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 07:31:29PM -0700, Paul Vixie wrote:
> we can, if we wish, continue to standardize one protocol, watch as the world
> deploys a different one, and still pretent that our effort was worthwhile.
> however, this would fit the technical definition of "insanity", and i urge
> that we avoid this course of action.

[…]

> we need a kernel option for various open source operating systems which
> causes all UDP to be fragmented at 512 octets of payload.

If working on a protocol that merely depends on certain middleboxes
eventually die is "insanity", what do we call it when people work on a
protocol that depends on UDP fragments working everywhere?

Best regards,

A

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