Re: [DNSOP] dns interface to whois? (Re: Taking Back the DNS )

"John L. Crain" <john.crain@icann.org> Sun, 21 November 2010 17:50 UTC

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From: "John L. Crain" <john.crain@icann.org>
To: Paul Vixie <vixie@isc.org>, "dnsop@ietf.org" <dnsop@ietf.org>
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Hi Paul,


On 11/21/10 9:33 AM, "Paul Vixie" <vixie@isc.org> wrote:

>here's something interesting.
>
>> You have just received a comment for:
>> 
>> Taking Back the DNS
>> http://www.circleid.com/posts/20100728_taking_back_the_dns/#7331
>> By Marc Perkel
>> ...
>> Also - I would like to see some sort of DNS lookup to determine the
>> age of a domain and the expiration date through DNS (high speed) as
>> opposed to whois. That way domains that are very new can be
>> distinguished for those who are established.
>
>how would the registry system implement something like this?  could we
>define another SRV-like schema like:

Why would we do this, who gains by adding this?

I don't see the benefit.

As a registrant, registrar or registry I have access to that data. As a
person (or client) resolving a name at a specific point in time I don't
see how this data would be relevant.

Even as a third party if I want the expiration data then there are
existing protocols for doing that.

Was the use case outlined?

John


>
>vix._domain._whois._registry.com TXT "admin-c:pv15"
>                                 TXT "tech-c:pv15"
>                                 TXT "updated:25-Feb-2009"
>                                 TXT "created:20-Jun-1995"
>                                 TXT "expires:19-Jun-2011"
>                                 TXT "registrar:http://tucowsdomains.com"
>
>pv15._contact._whois._registry.com TXT "name:Vixie, Paul"
>                                   TXT "email:paul@vix.com"
>                                   TXT "postal:Star Route Box 159A, \
>                                        Woodside, CA 94062, US"
>                                   TXT "pstn:+1.6504231383"
>
>...and then leave it up to each registry (and maybe icann if they are a
>regulated registry) to decide whether to implement it and to decide what
>kind of rate limiting to perform?
>
>i know there are a lot of related proposals in XML.  that's another topic.
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