Re: [DNSOP] raising the bar: requiring implementations

Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com> Thu, 05 April 2018 21:16 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] raising the bar: requiring implementations
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On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 05:24:33PM +0200, bert hubert wrote:
> allow the one remaining closed source DNS implementation

!!!!

Really?  I'm so pleased we have not only candidate censors of what is
going to be published by the WG but also census-takers who have
determined then number and types of DNS implemntations in the
universe.

In case it isn't clear from the above, I am deeply uncomfortable with
the entire DNS-police-cum-government latent in this thread.  I think
interoperability is important and valuable.  I do not think that
creating a clubhouse of kool kids who decide what "is" a DNS
implementation is wise, however.

A

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