Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Have some class?
Steve Crocker <steve@shinkuro.com> Sun, 05 July 2015 12:30 UTC
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Have some class?
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Stephane and Paul, I’m ok with anything that provides effective negative feedback. Dropping queries or redirecting them is ok with me. Thanks, Steve On Jul 5, 2015, at 5:11 AM, P Vixie <paul@redbarn.org> wrote: > Delay is expensive for responders since it requires state. Steve's goal of making some tld strings flaky so as to encourage developers to avoid DNS for those names could be met statelessly. For example delegate them to localhost. > > On July 5, 2015 12:51:08 PM GMT+01:00, Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@nic.fr> wrote: > On Sat, Jul 04, 2015 at 09:16:17AM -0700, > Steve Crocker <steve@shinkuro.com> wrote > a message of 21 lines which said: > > except for the additional load it places on the root servers, > > RFC 7535 could be a solution. > > I propose augmenting the DNS to include entries in the root that > serve the purpose of giving slow NXDOMAIN responses instead of quick > responses for those strings that the IETF has identified as not > TLDs. > > If it is a serious proposal, I object. Delaying answers require > keeping state in the authoritative name server and opens a nice DoS > boulevard. > > > DNSOP mailing list > DNSOP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop > > -- > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > _______________________________________________ > DNSOP mailing list > DNSOP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop
- Re: [DNSOP] back to: Some distinctions and a requ… Hugo Maxwell Connery
- Re: [DNSOP] back to: Some distinctions and a requ… Edward Lewis
- Re: [DNSOP] back to: Some distinctions and a requ… Hugo Maxwell Connery
- Re: [DNSOP] back to: Some distinctions and a requ… manning
- Re: [DNSOP] back to: Some distinctions and a requ… Hugo Maxwell Connery
- Re: [DNSOP] back to: Some distinctions and a requ… manning
- Re: [DNSOP] back to: Some distinctions and a requ… Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] back to: Some distinctions and a requ… Edward Lewis
- Re: [DNSOP] back to: Some distinctions and a requ… Edward Lewis
- Re: [DNSOP] back to: Some distinctions and a requ… Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] back to: Some distinctions and a requ… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [DNSOP] back to: Some distinctions and a requ… manning
- Re: [DNSOP] back to: Some distinctions and a requ… Robert Edmonds
- Re: [DNSOP] back to: Some distinctions and a requ… manning
- Re: [DNSOP] back to: Some distinctions and a requ… Robert Edmonds
- Re: [DNSOP] back to: Some distinctions and a requ… manning
- Re: [DNSOP] back to: Some distinctions and a requ… Robert Edmonds
- Re: [DNSOP] back to: Some distinctions and a requ… manning
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… manning
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… Warren Kumari
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… manning
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… Hugo Maxwell Connery
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… manning
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… joel jaeggli
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… Suzanne Woolf
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… manning
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… Warren Kumari
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… manning
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… Paul Ferguson
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… John Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… Steve Crocker
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… Suzanne Woolf
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… Patrik Fältström
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… Andrew Sullivan
- [DNSOP] Top level names -- precision re categorie… Steve Crocker
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… John R Levine
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… Ray Bellis
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… Steve Crocker
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… P Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… P Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… Steve Crocker
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… Evan Hunt
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… Ray Bellis
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… manning
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… Evan Hunt
- Re: [DNSOP] Some distinctions and a request - Hav… Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [DNSOP] Top level names -- precision re categ… Jaap Akkerhuis
- Re: [DNSOP] Top level names -- precision re categ… Steve Crocker