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Re: [DNSOP] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-sury-deprecate-obsolete-resource-records-00.txt

Ondřej Surý <ondrej@isc.org> Fri, 23 March 2018 16:05 UTC

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No, I don’t mean that. While in theory you can call an aquarium with dead fish and algae “in use” and tell your neighbors that you have fish and have a green thumb, it wouldn’t be necessarily an accurate assessment of the situation. Similarly, an occasional user that tries things doesn’t make those experimental RRTYPEs to be “in use”.

What I mean is to make DNS simpler by kicking out stuff that has no use in existing protocols.

Ondřej 
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Ondřej Surý — ISC

> On 23 Mar 2018, at 14:18, Bob Harold <rharolde@umich.edu> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 8:11 AM, Ondřej Surý <ondrej@isc.org> wrote:
>> Heya,
>> 
>> this is a first attempt to start reducing the load on DNS Implementors and actually remove the stuff from DNS that’s not used and not needed anymore.
>> 
>> There’s github for the draft: https://github.com/oerdnj/draft-sury-dnsop-deprecate-obsolete-resource-records
>> 
>> Ondrej
>> --
>> Ondřej Surý
>> ondrej@isc.org
>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
>>> From: internet-drafts@ietf.org
>>> Subject: New Version Notification for draft-sury-deprecate-obsolete-resource-records-00.txt
>>> Date: 23 March 2018 at 12:09:19 GMT
>>> To: "Ondrej Sury" <ondrej@isc.org>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> A new version of I-D, draft-sury-deprecate-obsolete-resource-records-00.txt
>>> has been successfully submitted by Ondrej Sury and posted to the
>>> IETF repository.
>>> 
>>> Name:		draft-sury-deprecate-obsolete-resource-records
>>> Revision:	00
>>> Title:		Deprecating obsolete DNS Resource Records
>>> Document date:	2018-03-22
>>> Group:		Individual Submission
>>> Pages:		4
>>> URL:            https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-sury-deprecate-obsolete-resource-records-00.txt
>>> Status:         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sury-deprecate-obsolete-resource-records/
>>> Htmlized:       https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-sury-deprecate-obsolete-resource-records-00
>>> Htmlized:       https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-sury-deprecate-obsolete-resource-records
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Abstract:
>>>   This document deprecates Resource Records that are neither being used
>>>   for anything meanigful nor already made obsolete by other RFCs.  This
>>>   document updates [RFC1035].
> 
> I don't mind deprecating unused types.  But I don't understand how an unused type can affect compression.  I can only imagine it having an effect if the type actually exists in a packet, which means that it is 'in use'.
> 
> Do you mean 'types that have DNS records, and hosts query for those records, but we think they are not really used'  ?
> 
> -- 
> Bob Harold
>

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