Re: [earlywarning] (no subject)
creed@opengeospatial.org Fri, 26 March 2010 14:44 UTC
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Cc: "DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)" <bd2985@att.com>, earlywarning@ietf.org
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Absolutely! Carl > Once again, this is NOT about a solution limited to wireless cellular > networks. It is about a solution for internet connected endpoints of all > kinds. > > Brian > > > On 3/25/10 7:46 PM, "DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)" <BD2985@att.com> wrote: > >> Keith We agree with you, and to further the point, in wireless >> cellular IP >> networks a point to point solution would be problematic. Cell Broadcast >> is >> used for CMAS because SMS cannot be used for any real time alerting it >> was >> not designed for that application and has serious limitations, as the >> FCC >> CMSAAC studied. >> >> When it comes to the evolved packet core and IMS, again a point to point >> solution will cause significant congestion on the network and a >> broadcast/multicast solution must be used to effectively deliver alert >> messages. Thus things like location and ³priority² are already handled >> in the >> delivery network. >> >> ATIS and 3GPP will be studying how to support multimedia alerts in the >> future, >> as recommended by the FCC CMSAAC. This is all beyond the scope of this >> work >> effort. >> >> Regards, >> Brian >> >> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 03:13:24 +0100 >> From: "DRAGE, Keith (Keith)" <keith.drage@alcatel-lucent.com> >> Subject: Re: [earlywarning] Updated Charter Text for ATOCA >> To: Hannes Tschofenig <Hannes.Tschofenig@gmx.net>, >> "earlywarning@ietf.org" <earlywarning@ietf.org> >> Message-ID: >> >> <EDC0A1AE77C57744B664A310A0B23AE20D1639BB@FRMRSSXCHMBSC3.dc-m.alcatel-lucent.c >> om> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >> >> What I am not seeing here is any separation of the problem from the one >> that >> cell broadcast attempts to solve. Fundamentally, cell broadcast, as >> exists on >> all GSM, UTRAN and E-UTRAN based cell phones and is being used for >> Tsunami >> warning and Public Warning, exists and is not going to substantially >> change. >> The major limitation here is is length of message, and what does get >> transmitted will be very much dependent on that restriction. >> >> Moreover I have heard from a number of governmental bodies that they are >> happy >> with that situation and are not envisaging further standardisation in >> that >> area outside of 3GPP. >> >> So my view at the moment is that there is no point in IETF trying to >> address >> the scope of what is already specified in cell broadcast (from base >> station to >> end mobile). >> >> regards >> >> Keith >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> earlywarning mailing list >> earlywarning@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/earlywarning > > _______________________________________________ > earlywarning mailing list > earlywarning@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/earlywarning >
- Re: [earlywarning] (no subject) DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] (no subject) Brian Rosen
- [earlywarning] (no subject) DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] (no subject) Brian Rosen
- Re: [earlywarning] (no subject) DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] (no subject) ken carlberg
- Re: [earlywarning] (no subject) ken carlberg
- Re: [earlywarning] (no subject) DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] (no subject) DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] (no subject) SENNETT, DEWAYNE A (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] (no subject) ken carlberg
- Re: [earlywarning] (no subject) DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [earlywarning] (no subject) SENNETT, DEWAYNE A (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] (no subject) DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] (no subject) SENNETT, DEWAYNE A (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] (no subject) Brian Rosen
- Re: [earlywarning] (no subject) DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] (no subject) James M. Polk
- Re: [earlywarning] (no subject) Winterbottom, James
- Re: [earlywarning] (no subject) Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [earlywarning] (no subject) DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] (no subject) DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] (no subject) Winterbottom, James
- Re: [earlywarning] (no subject) DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] (no subject) Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [earlywarning] (no subject) Winterbottom, James
- Re: [earlywarning] (no subject) Art Botterell
- Re: [earlywarning] (no subject) Winterbottom, James
- Re: [earlywarning] (no subject) Art Botterell
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