Re: [edu-team] IETF 99 Tutorial Survey Results

[Michael StJohns <[e-mail]>]

The more I look at this, the less I like the idea of including a wiring 
diagram for an organization that doesn't really do wiring diagrams.

Basically, this isn't information that they need to know for their first 
week and I'm loath to include it on that basis.  What they need to know 
is that working groups belong to an area and that other WGs of interest 
may be in that area so when reading the agenda concentrate on WGs of the 
same area.  I already make that point.  For the rest I refer them to the 
Tao of the IETF, the IETF website etc.

Here's the descriptive text.

      * Organized activity of the Internet Society
      * A voluntary Standards Development Organization
      * Consists of !many! Working Groups
          o Organized by Areas: Applications and Real Time, General,
            Internet, Operations and Management, Routing, Security and
            Transport
      * Most standards work is done by the Working Groups
      * Internet Architecture Board is a related organization (and
        probably is more well known publicly)
      * Lots more details – not immediately important to your meeting
        attendance.




The slide Russ provided isn't so much an organizational chart as a list 
of organizations that somehow have something to do with the nebulous 
concept of the IETF.   I took out a similarly unhelpful organizational 
slide from Scott's original deck and left it out on purpose.


Mike



On 8/23/2017 12:13 PM, Russ Housley wrote:
>
> This is from an old presentation. I think it was originally put together by Olaf.  Use any part that is helpful.
>
> Russ
>
>
>
>> On Aug 22, 2017, at 4:50 PM, Fred Baker <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 22, 2017, at 1:27 PM, Alexa Morris <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>>
>>> - Two respondents call out the desire for an organizational chart. I think the EDU team should discuss options for how to best provide this info, as clearly people are looking for it.
>> The big question in such an org chart has always been "how to draw the IAB" and "how to draw ISOC". In various org chart drawings I have seen over the years I have seen IAB and ISOC drawn as the top bubble, and quite a bit of ensuing debate terminating in "they aren't the top bubble" but nothing definitive as to where they belong.
>>
>> Excluding IAB and ISOC (and the IAOC?), it's not too hard. I think the simplest way to display ISOC and IAB without causing a riot will be to show them as adjunct organizations; "these are also involved, but it's not a hierarchy".
>>
>>                           +----+
>>                           |IESG|
>>                           +----+
>>               Some number of areas (currently 7)
>>    -+--------------+--------------+-----------------
>>     AD             AD             AD
>>     |              |              |
>>     +- directorate +- directorate +- directorate
>>     |              |              |
>>     +- WG          +- WG          +- WG         ...
>>     |              |              |
>>     +- WG          +- WG          +- WG
>>     |              |              |
>>     +- WG          +- WG          +- WG
>>     |              |              |
>>     +- ...         +- ...         +- ...
>>     |              |              |
>> _______________________________________________
>> edu-team mailing list
>> [e-mail]
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> edu-team mailing list
> [e-mail]
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team