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Melinda Shore <melinda.shore@nomountain.net> Wed, 18 September 2019 20:29 UTC

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On 9/18/19 12:11 PM, S Moonesamy wrote:
> The Nomcom process and the Recall process are independent of each other.

I'm not EKR but I believe that the argument is that one obviates
the other - that bad actors can simply not be reappointed.  That
may be true, modulo schedules and whatnot (the risk of leaving
someone who's performing badly in place for longer than would be
the case if they'd been recalled).

Melinda

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