Re: [eman] EMAN-REQ: the notion of importance
Ira McDonald <blueroofmusic@gmail.com> Mon, 27 February 2012 17:44 UTC
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Subject: Re: [eman] EMAN-REQ: the notion of importance
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Hi, Brad - good precedent - because it makes the "importance" machine readable (and therefore useful). But since EMAN (and many other IETF WGs) have consistently backed away from any standard definition of "role" (w/ behavior semantics that are predictable), a text string of "role" is useless (except in a vendor- or site-specific manner - out-of-scope IMHO). And I suggest that the "universe of things" is too diverse to lend itself to an IANA registry of standard "role" keywords. Cheers, - Ira Ira McDonald (Musician / Software Architect) Chair - Linux Foundation Open Printing WG Secretary - IEEE-ISTO Printer Working Group Co-Chair - IEEE-ISTO PWG IPP WG Co-Chair - TCG Trusted Mobility Solutions WG Chair - TCG Embedded Systems Hardcopy SG IETF Designated Expert - IPP & Printer MIB Blue Roof Music/High North Inc http://sites.google.com/site/blueroofmusic http://sites.google.com/site/highnorthinc mailto:blueroofmusic@gmail.com Winter 579 Park Place Saline, MI 48176 734-944-0094 Summer PO Box 221 Grand Marais, MI 49839 906-494-2434 On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Brad Schoening <brads@coraid.com> wrote: > Benoit, > > There is a precedence for doing this on the device in the PoE MIB, rfc3621 > which defines pethPsePortPowerPriority: > > pethPsePortPowerPriority OBJECT-TYPE > SYNTAX INTEGER { > critical(1), > high(2), > low(3) > } > MAX-ACCESS read-write > STATUS current > DESCRIPTION > "This object controls the priority of the port from the point > of view of a power management algorithm. The priority that > is set by this variable could be used by a control mechanism > that prevents over current situations by disconnecting first > ports with lower power priority. Ports that connect devices > critical to the operation of the network - like the E911 > telephones ports - should be set to higher priority." > ::= { pethPsePortEntry 7 } > > > > Brad Schoening > e: brads@coraid.com ⟐ m: 917-304-7190 > > > [image: Description: Coraid+Logo_reallysmall] <http://www.coraid.com/> Redefining > Storage Economics**** > > ** ** > > From: Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com> > Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 05:17:24 -0600 > To: eman mailing list <eman@ietf.org> > Subject: [eman] EMAN-REQ: the notion of importance > > Dear all, > > There is a discussion amongst the "EMAN requirements" authors right now > about the notion of importance. > We're trying to evaluate the requirements related to the "importance". > > The current draft version<http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-eman-requirements-05>only mentions: > > 5.1.2. Context information on powered entities The energy management standard must provide means for retrieving and > reporting context information on powered entities, for example, tags > associated with a powered entity that indicate the powered entity's > role, or importance. > > > So there are no justifications why the importance is required. > The people who want this, please provide some more text/justifications > > Some extra questions: > - Is this importance specific to EMAN or is this generic also for non > Energy Objects? > - Importance is important related to ...? > > Regards, Benoit (as a contributor for the EMAN-REQ) > > > > > _______________________________________________ > eman mailing list > eman@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/eman > >
- Re: [eman] EMAN-REQ: the notion of importance Brad Schoening
- [eman] EMAN-REQ: the notion of importance Benoit Claise
- Re: [eman] EMAN-REQ: the notion of importance Ira McDonald
- Re: [eman] EMAN-REQ: the notion of importance Juergen Quittek
- Re: [eman] EMAN-REQ: the notion of importance Rolf Winter
- Re: [eman] EMAN-REQ: the notion of importance John Parello (jparello)
- Re: [eman] EMAN-REQ: the notion of importance Ira McDonald
- Re: [eman] EMAN-REQ: the notion of importance John Parello (jparello)
- Re: [eman] EMAN-REQ: the notion of importance Juergen Quittek
- Re: [eman] EMAN-REQ: the notion of importance John Parello (jparello)
- Re: [eman] EMAN-REQ: the notion of importance Mouli Chandramouli (moulchan)
- Re: [eman] EMAN-REQ: the notion of importance Rolf Winter
- Re: [eman] EMAN-REQ: the notion of importance Mouli Chandramouli (moulchan)
- Re: [eman] EMAN-REQ: the notion of importance Rolf Winter
- Re: [eman] EMAN-REQ: the notion of importance Juergen Quittek
- Re: [eman] EMAN-REQ: the notion of importance John Parello (jparello)
- Re: [eman] EMAN-REQ: the notion of importance Rolf Winter
- Re: [eman] EMAN-REQ: power up order Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [eman] EMAN-REQ: power up order Rolf Winter
- Re: [eman] EMAN-REQ: power up order John Parello (jparello)
- Re: [eman] EMAN-REQ: power up order Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [eman] EMAN-REQ: power up order Bruce Nordman
- Re: [eman] EMAN-REQ: power up order Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [eman] EMAN-REQ: the notion of importance Juergen Quittek
- Re: [eman] EMAN-REQ: the notion of importance Benoit Claise
- Re: [eman] EMAN-REQ: the notion of importance Juergen Quittek
- Re: [eman] EMAN-REQ: the notion of importance Brad Schoening
- Re: [eman] EMAN-REQ: the notion of importance Benoit Claise
- Re: [eman] EMAN-REQ: the notion of importance Juergen Quittek
- Re: [eman] EMAN-REQ: the notion of importance Mouli Chandramouli (moulchan)
- Re: [eman] EMAN-REQ: the notion of importance Benoit Claise
- Re: [eman] EMAN-REQ: the notion of importance Mouli Chandramouli (moulchan)
- Re: [eman] EMAN-REQ: the notion of importance Juergen Quittek
- Re: [eman] EMAN-REQ: the notion of importance Juergen Quittek
- Re: [eman] EMAN-REQ: the notion of importance John Parello (jparello)
- Re: [eman] EMAN-REQ: the notion of importance David Prantl
- [eman] EMAN-REQ: the notion of importance McAndrew, Niall
- Re: [eman] EMAN-REQ: the notion of importance Benoit Claise
- Re: [eman] EMAN-REQ: the notion of importance Anthony Barrera
- Re: [eman] EMAN-REQ: the notion of importance Juergen Quittek
- Re: [eman] EMAN-REQ: the notion of importance McAndrew, Niall
- Re: [eman] EMAN-REQ: the notion of importance Emmanuel Tychon
- Re: [eman] EMAN-REQ: the notion of importance Juergen Quittek