Re: [Emu] review of draft-ietf-emu-eaptunnel-req-04

"Joseph Salowey (jsalowey)" <jsalowey@cisco.com> Thu, 04 March 2010 15:11 UTC

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From: "Joseph Salowey (jsalowey)" <jsalowey@cisco.com>
To: Yaron Sheffer <yaronf@checkpoint.com>, emu@ietf.org
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> Joe, what Dan is proposing is a reasonable way to use a one-time
password
> for the initial provisioning of a trust anchor. Initial provisioning
is
> important for many types of deployments. Does the document allow an
> alternative secure way to do that?
> 
[Joe] Initial provisioning is not currently in the scope of the document
for the base method.  I agree that using anonymous cipher suites in the
way Dan proposes can be used in a provisioning mechanism, however there
are other ways provisioning can be achieved with or without the use of
EAP.  

> Dan, I suspect that for this specific use case (one time use, no need
for
> confidentiality), resistance against dictionary attack is not very
> important. So EAP-GPSK inside the tunnel will do just as well.
> 
> Thanks,
> 	Yaron
> 
> > Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 20:05:09 -0800
> > From: "Joseph Salowey (jsalowey)" <jsalowey@cisco.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Emu] review of draft-ietf-emu-eaptunnel-req-04
> > To: "Dan Harkins" <dharkins@lounge.org>,	"Hoeper Katrin-QWKN37"
> > 	<khoeper@motorola.com>
> > Cc: emu@ietf.org
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> > Hi Dan,
> >
> > The document currently states anonymous cipher suites MUST NOT be
> > mandatory to implement for the tunnel method.  I think the is the
> > appropriate stance for the document to take for the base tunnel
method.
> > I also do not think this prevents a follow-on specification defining
> > how
> > to use anonymous tunnel securely.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Joe
> >
> 
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