Re: [EToSat] What we are looking for from QUIC
Junho Choi <junho.choi@gmail.com> Wed, 04 December 2019 04:53 UTC
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From: Junho Choi <junho.choi@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [EToSat] What we are looking for from QUIC
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Thank you guys, it's very helpful! I will take a look. Best, On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 5:39 PM Su, Chi-Jiun <Chi-Jiun.Su@hughes.com> wrote: > This thesis and the references therein should provide basic idea of tcp > spoofing (tcp proxies). > > https://drum.lib.umd.edu/handle/1903/6106 > > > https://drum.lib.umd.edu/bitstream/handle/1903/6106/MS_99-10.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y > > some more math > http://web.eecs.umich.edu/~mingyan/pub/JCC04.pdf > > cj > Navid Ehsan*, Mingyan Liu > <http://web.eecs.umich.edu/~mingyan/pub/JCC04.pdf> > server–client RTT. Our analysis, therefore only applies to situations > where there is a cache miss. 2.2. Assumptions and parameters We assume that > a file contains exactly M segments of the > web.eecs.umich.edu > > drum.lib.umd.edu > <https://drum.lib.umd.edu/bitstream/handle/1903/6106/MS_99-10.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y> > M P IJ^KI NM ME IKT P IO5fPUxK LNJ hs r U O HNM O%m J^ { Ux nUz n ot ^W'< > AO I ^KIJ fD ` P AO I ^ rHNMLNM O otmE r ot MP L P r NM N B s K{ 5Lpm J^ V > yUxL M O O Iop NM n J^L opLNJ ] IO%mD IJ^ h NJ opLNMEKI > drum.lib.umd.edu > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* EToSat <etosat-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Junho Choi < > junho.choi@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 3, 2019 7:08 PM > *To:* Border, John <John.Border@hughes.com> > *Cc:* etosat@ietf.org <etosat@ietf.org> > *Subject:* Re: [EToSat] What we are looking for from QUIC > > *CAUTION:* This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not > click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know > the content is safe. > > On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 10:43 AM Border, John <John.Border@hughes.com> > wrote: > > > > With TCP spoofing, we can currently achieve very high speeds (e.g. > > 200 Mbps). > > > Sorry for newbie question but where can I find more information on TCP > spoofing and how it can improve long-haul network performance? > > Thanks, > > -- > Junho Choi <junho dot choi at gmail.com > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://gmail.com__;!!Emaut56SYw!gFqcg39rPXq4EDxtSDfvwc6kmTTdXBZ-kFJ_SvE8j1rdhCfaVQiLXom0rV1JmH-9jA$> > > > -- Junho Choi <junho dot choi at gmail.com>
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- Re: [EToSat] What we are looking for from QUIC Junho Choi
- Re: [EToSat] What we are looking for from QUIC lloyd.wood@yahoo.co.uk
- Re: [EToSat] What we are looking for from QUIC Su, Chi-Jiun
- Re: [EToSat] What we are looking for from QUIC Junho Choi
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- Re: [EToSat] What we are looking for from QUIC Morten V. Pedersen
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- Re: [EToSat] What we are looking for from QUIC Christian Huitema
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