Re: [gaia] Fixes to "Alternative Network Deployments" Internet Draft
Arjuna Sathiaseelan <arjuna.sathiaseelan@cl.cam.ac.uk> Thu, 06 November 2014 08:30 UTC
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Subject: Re: [gaia] Fixes to "Alternative Network Deployments" Internet Draft
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Thanks Ioannis - I would also encourage others to read this draft and give feedback.. http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-manyfolks-gaia-community-networks-01 Regards On 5 November 2014 16:12, Ioannis Komnios <ikomnios@gmail.com> wrote: > All, > > I have reviewed the “Alternative Network Deployments” Internet Draft and I > have found several things that could be fixed, in order to make the text > more concise and readable. > > Issues to be considered > p.4 We should introduce the acronym AN for Alternative Networks, since we > use it in the document. > p.5 The Free Network description does not read well here, since it MAY be > the same as a Community Network. I suggest to create a separate sub-section, > where we define a Free Network. > p.5 “The principles of these networks” and p. 6 “These networks grow…”. It > is not clear if we refer to community networks or free networks. We should > make it clear. > p.6 “These networks are also called sometimes “Free networks” or even > “Network Commons.” This is a confusing repetition and should be omitted. > p.7 “The network capacity shared…” This is a repetition, since it is already > mentioned in the previous paragraph. > p.6-7 The way crowdshared approaches and user-centric approaches are defined > right now is a little confusing, since they look really similar. We can add > some examples of each case to highlight the differences. > p.7 FON missing reference: https://corp.fon.com/en > p.8 The bullets that describe the actors in user-centric networks start > abruptly. We should first add a sentence like “The actors involved in a > user-centric network are summarised below:” > p.8 We should define ISP and ASP acronyms when we first use them. > p.8 We should rename Section 2.4 Testbeds to Testbeds for research purposes > to make it more clear. > p.8 Section 3.1 mostly describes developing countries and digital divide, > not network deployment scenarios. For this reason, we could rename this > section “Digital Divide”. We can also add a reference to the Digital Agenda > Europe (http://ec.europa.eu/digital-agenda/) > p.11 We should add a reference to dwellers that share the cost of the > infrastructure ant the gateway and access it via inexpensive wireless > devices. > p.11 We refer to scarce technical skills as a problem to rural areas. The > same problem exists in developing countries, as well. > p.11 There is no need for a subsection 4.1.1. since it is the only one. We > should re-write this paragraph more formally and move the reference to the > end of the document. > p.11 Add one more introductory sentence to Section 4.2. “Below we summarise > topics to be considered in such deployments.” > p.11 We first refer to Fresnel zone in p.11, but we describe it in p.12. > This explanation should be moved here. > p.13 Section 4.2.2. Link Length could be further split into three > subsections: Line-of-Sight, Transmitted and Received Power and Medium Access > Protocol. > p.17 Section 4.2.3.2. GMS should be re-written like “GSM has also been used > in Alternative Networks as layer 2 option.” and reference should be moved to > the end of the document. > p.19 When we refer to LEDBAT we can add the following two publications that > summarise some important LEDBAT issues: > -D.Ros and M. Welzl, “Assessing LEDBAT’s delay impact”, Communication > Letters, IEEE, vol. 17, no. 5, pp. 1044-1047, May 2013. > -I. Komnios, A. Sathiaseelan and J. Crowcroft, “LEDBAT performance in > subpacket regimes”, IEEE/IFIP WONS, Austria, April 2014. > p.19 Rename Section 5.2.1. "Services provided by these networks” to > “Services provided by alternative networks” > p.20 We should add an introduction to Section 5.2.1.1. such as “Intranet > services can include, but are not limited to:”. And also make the first > letter of each bullet capital. > > Typos and others > p.1 and p.4: “as well as providing Internet” -> “as well as Internet” > p.2 “network models as e.g., community networks” -> “network models such as > community networks” > p.4 “In line with this objective this” -> “In line with this objective, > this” > p.4 “Each of them have” -> “Each of them has” > p.4 “as well as technological” -> “as well as the technological” > p.5 “a obvious” -> “an obvious" > p.5 “Freedom 0 - Freedom” -> “Freedom 0 - The freedom” > p.5 “most reusable forms.” ” -> “most reusable forms. ” > p.5 “as long as you don’t harm” -> “as long as you do not harm” > p. 6 “to be normally used” -> “is normally used” > p.6 “as e.g. Less-than-best-effort” -> “as Less-than-best-effort” > p.7 “an people can” -> “and people can” > p.8 “ “Interest” “ -> “ Interest “ > p.8 “The Virtual Operator: entity that” -> “The Virtual Operator (VO): An > entity that” > p.8 “This section discusses the scenarios where alternative networks are > interesting or have been deployed.” -> “This section discusses scenarios, > where alternative networks have been deployed." > p.9 “worried of being left behind” -> “in order not to be left behind” > p.9 “peoples” -> “people” > p.10 “Although it is undeniable the contribution… access gap,” -> “Although > the contribution… access gap is undeniable,” > p.10 “they do not deemed them profitable” -> “they do not deem them > profitable” > p.11 “stability and to that of the services” -> “stability and the services” > p.11 “off-the-self” -> “off-the-shelf” > p.12 “omnis” -> “omnidirectional antennas” > p.12 “So a moderate gain” -> “A moderate gain” > p.13 “Of course, in the case of” -> “In the case of” > p.13 “Keep also in mind that the same type” -> “The same type” > p.13 “some vendor use” -> “some vendors use” > p.13 “So, for optimum” -> “For optimum” > p.13 “Bear in mind that the sensitivity” -> “The sensitivity” > p.14 “over water, if they cannot” -> “over water. If they cannot” > p.14 “So to achieve” -> “In order to achieve” > p.14 “a) increase the output power.The maximum” -> “a) Increase the output > power. The maximum” > p.14 “the EIRP (Equivalent Isotropically Irradiated Power)” -> “Equivalent > Isotropically Radiated Power (EIRP)” > p.14 “So one can increase” -> “One can increase" > p.14 “can be reduced say from” -> “can be reduced from” > p.14 “is related with the medium” -> “is related to the medium” > p.14 “This will reduce significantly the” -> “This will significantly reduce > the” > p.16 “This is means” -> “This means” > p.16 “they are said to be associated” -> “they are associated” > p.16 “and will only communicate” -> “and only communicate” > p.17 “Remember that managed mode” -> “Managed mode” > p.17 “so it is likely that you will want to run a high repeater site” -> “so > a high repeater site is required” > p.17 “but most almost” -> “but almost” > p.18 “These networks are composed of” -> “Alternative Networks are typically > composed of” > p.18 “not guaranteed, the link stability” -> “not guaranteed and the link > stability” > p.18 “E.g., they use” -> “For example, they use” > p.18 “From crowd shared perspective and considering just regular” -> “From > crowdshared perspective and considering only regular” > p.18 “that implement a” -> “that implements a” > p.18 “and protect the sharer” -> “and protects the sharer.” > p.18 “requieres” -> “requires” > p.19 “And so, recently” -> “Recently” > p.19 “LETBAT" -> “LEDBAT" > p.19 “This application have shown” -> “These applications have shown” > p.19 “So, there are some” -> “There are some” > p.19 “explaining” -> “explanation” > p.21 “These networks follow” -> “Alternative networks follow” > p.21 “that manage the best” -> “that manages the best" > > Ioannis > > _______________________________________________ > gaia mailing list > gaia@irtf.org > https://irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/gaia > -- Arjuna Sathiaseelan | http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~as2330/
- [gaia] Fixes to "Alternative Network Deployments"… Ioannis Komnios
- Re: [gaia] Fixes to "Alternative Network Deployme… Arjuna Sathiaseelan
- Re: [gaia] Fixes to "Alternative Network Deployme… Jose Saldana
- Re: [gaia] Fixes to "Alternative Network Deployme… Steve Song
- Re: [gaia] Fixes to "Alternative Network Deployme… Arjuna Sathiaseelan
- Re: [gaia] Fixes to "Alternative Network Deployme… Jose Saldana
- Re: [gaia] Fixes to "Alternative Network Deployme… Ermanno Pietrosemoli
- Re: [gaia] Fixes to "Alternative Network Deployme… Arjuna Sathiaseelan
- Re: [gaia] Fixes to "Alternative Network Deployme… Jose Saldana
- Re: [gaia] Fixes to "Alternative Network Deployme… Prof. Adam Wolisz
- Re: [gaia] Fixes to "Alternative Network Deployme… Jose Saldana
- Re: [gaia] Fixes to "Alternative Network Deployme… Javier Simó
- Re: [gaia] Fixes to "Alternative Network Deployme… Matthew Ford